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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 27, 2019 9:40:49 GMT -5
I’m sniffing Crimson here... No freaking way he’s dumb enough to play at Alabama! Bama has another 5 star in campus right now for a visit. Seem to getting a lot of visits from top end talent now with oats.
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Post by JazzNC on Sept 27, 2019 10:07:54 GMT -5
No freaking way he’s dumb enough to play at Alabama! Bama has another 5 star in campus right now for a visit. Seem to getting a lot of visits from top end talent now with oats. That’s probably because Oats is dirty just like Hurley. I don’t think he built Buffalo up for no reason.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Sept 27, 2019 15:16:44 GMT -5
I’m sniffing Crimson here... No freaking way he’s dumb enough to play at Alabama! I’m with Jazz on this one. Unless it’s all about money, there’s really no reason for him to play in Alabama.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Sept 27, 2019 15:36:15 GMT -5
I have always rationalized things that way. But I think so much more goes into it than money or the better "basketball school". If that were the case, wouldnt Andre Jackson be ours 100%. Or Isaiah be a shoe in to MSU.
I am far from a recruiting expert. Just a die hard that likes to follow closely along, but the whole process just feels less black and white for every kid than just $$$ and being a hoops school.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Sept 27, 2019 17:30:03 GMT -5
I have always rationalized things that way. But I think so much more goes into it than money or the better "basketball school". If that were the case, wouldnt Andre Jackson be ours 100%. Or Isaiah be a shoe in to MSU. I am far from a recruiting expert. Just a die hard that likes to follow closely along, but the whole process just feels less black and white for every kid than just $$$ and being a hoops school. If I was an elite basketball player from an impoverished family about to enter college, and I could go just about anywhere I wanted, where would I go? I would like to think that I’d realize that there are many good basketball programs to choose from. Coaching pedigree would matter to me, but I wouldn’t shy away from a younger coach (like a Hopkins) if I felt the program was going places. I don’t think I’d necessarily be convinced that I needed to attend a blue blood program to ensure NBA success. There are countless examples of guys from lesser known schools that have succeeded in the NBA. So what would make the difference? Sadly, I think it would come down to money. If I was a kid whose family had no money and someone offered me a bag, I’d probably take it. So if I’m Isaiah and Syracuse can offer me JB, the ACC, the Dome and loads of tv coverage, and Alabama offers me the SEC, loads of tv coverage, an up and coming coach like Oats, nice weather, and $200k+ I’d probably pick Bama. I’m just being honest. I’m not sure Syracuse can compete as long as we have to run a totally clean program. What can we do?
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Post by JazzNC on Sept 27, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -5
I have always rationalized things that way. But I think so much more goes into it than money or the better "basketball school". If that were the case, wouldnt Andre Jackson be ours 100%. Or Isaiah be a shoe in to MSU. I am far from a recruiting expert. Just a die hard that likes to follow closely along, but the whole process just feels less black and white for every kid than just $$$ and being a hoops school. I get what you’re saying about choosing a school. Bama definitely isn’t a hoops school and Syracuse is. But if money is the biggest factor, then no Dre wouldn’t be 100% Cuse. We’re losing him because of money... at least that’s what I think. It sucks. And it’s got to be a kick in the gut to JB and the staff to work so hard, come so close, and come up short. I truly don’t know how this changes until we have a coach that doesn’t have the target on his back that JB seems to have with the NCAA.
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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 27, 2019 19:43:36 GMT -5
I have always rationalized things that way. But I think so much more goes into it than money or the better "basketball school". If that were the case, wouldnt Andre Jackson be ours 100%. Or Isaiah be a shoe in to MSU. I am far from a recruiting expert. Just a die hard that likes to follow closely along, but the whole process just feels less black and white for every kid than just $$$ and being a hoops school. I get what you’re saying about choosing a school. Bama definitely isn’t a hoops school and Syracuse is. But if money is the biggest factor, then no Dre wouldn’t be 100% Cuse. We’re losing him because of money... at least that’s what I think. It sucks. And it’s got to be a kick in the gut to JB and the staff to work so hard, come so close, and come up short. I truly don’t know how this changes until we have a coach that doesn’t have the target on his back that JB seems to have with the NCAA. We are not losing Dre because of money. Uconn is not paying Dre. They have had enough drama surrounding them from the KO regime there is no way Hurley is chancing that right now....besides that Dre is not the type of recruit you funnel 200k to lol. Oats isnt paying anyone right now either and all these schools other then maybe Duke are scared to death about getting crushed because of what just happened to GT and what's about to happen to some others. Now is not the time to be funneling money.
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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 27, 2019 19:47:43 GMT -5
Oats isnt doing that either and it wasnt like he was getting studs at buffalo...guy just happened to get some damn good guys that worked out for him. Hell the one kid was goofy as heck with the ugliest shot I've ever seen but could light it up. Bama right now has a hot up and coming coach that has had success and says and does all the right things...they have a ton of money so the program isnt a dud...sec is getting better in bball and even before oats they have gotten some pretty high end talent recently. Things could trend in a very good direction for bama basketball if oats can recruit at a high level and have success right away.
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Post by JazzNC on Sept 28, 2019 6:01:14 GMT -5
I get what you’re saying about choosing a school. Bama definitely isn’t a hoops school and Syracuse is. But if money is the biggest factor, then no Dre wouldn’t be 100% Cuse. We’re losing him because of money... at least that’s what I think. It sucks. And it’s got to be a kick in the gut to JB and the staff to work so hard, come so close, and come up short. I truly don’t know how this changes until we have a coach that doesn’t have the target on his back that JB seems to have with the NCAA. We are not losing Dre because of money. Uconn is not paying Dre. They have had enough drama surrounding them from the KO regime there is no way Hurley is chancing that right now....besides that Dre is not the type of recruit you funnel 200k to lol. Oats isnt paying anyone right now either and all these schools other then maybe Duke are scared to death about getting crushed because of what just happened to GT and what's about to happen to some others. Now is not the time to be funneling money. If you’re right, and I’m not saying you are, then I want JB out right now. His recruiting hasn’t been up to SU standards, and I have been giving him an excuse (bags). If we’re “legitimately” losing recruits to the likes of a has been program like UConn, and countless other inferior programs over the last few years then he’s lost his touch. We haven’t had a top ten ranked class in a long time, and it’s showed with our piss poor record in the ACC.
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Post by JazzNC on Sept 28, 2019 6:05:51 GMT -5
I have always rationalized things that way. But I think so much more goes into it than money or the better "basketball school". If that were the case, wouldnt Andre Jackson be ours 100%. Or Isaiah be a shoe in to MSU. I am far from a recruiting expert. Just a die hard that likes to follow closely along, but the whole process just feels less black and white for every kid than just $$$ and being a hoops school. If I was an elite basketball player from an impoverished family about to enter college, and I could go just about anywhere I wanted, where would I go? I would like to think that I’d realize that there are many good basketball programs to choose from. Coaching pedigree would matter to me, but I wouldn’t shy away from a younger coach (like a Hopkins) if I felt the program was going places. I don’t think I’d necessarily be convinced that I needed to attend a blue blood program to ensure NBA success. There are countless examples of guys from lesser known schools that have succeeded in the NBA. So what would make the difference? Sadly, I think it would come down to money. If I was a kid whose family had no money and someone offered me a bag, I’d probably take it. So if I’m Isaiah and Syracuse can offer me JB, the ACC, the Dome and loads of tv coverage, and Alabama offers me the SEC, loads of tv coverage, an up and coming coach like Oats, nice weather, and $200k+ I’d probably pick Bama. I’m just being honest. I’m not sure Syracuse can compete as long as we have to run a totally clean program. What can we do? This is spot on! We can’t compete in the ACC anymore. Middle of the pack doesn’t cut it.
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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 28, 2019 6:19:09 GMT -5
We are not losing Dre because of money. Uconn is not paying Dre. They have had enough drama surrounding them from the KO regime there is no way Hurley is chancing that right now....besides that Dre is not the type of recruit you funnel 200k to lol. Oats isnt paying anyone right now either and all these schools other then maybe Duke are scared to death about getting crushed because of what just happened to GT and what's about to happen to some others. Now is not the time to be funneling money. If you’re right, and I’m not saying you are, then I want JB out right now. His recruiting hasn’t been up to SU standards, and I have been giving him an excuse (bags). If we’re “legitimately” losing recruits to the likes of a has been program like UConn, and countless other inferior programs over the last few years then he’s lost his touch. We haven’t had a top ten ranked class in a long time, and it’s showed with our piss poor record in the ACC. We have struggled with recruting for sure...not entirely sure why but I think sanctions obviously didnt help and the national perception of syracuse brand of basketball isnt what it use to be with the young guys and I think mainly that's because everyone associates us as the program who runs only 2/3 zone and all the talking heads have a hay day with how that doesnt prepare kids for the nba and how old JB is and who will replace him. I think he also cruised for awhile and didnt hit the recruiting trail as hard as he should of during the whole Hop transition phase that never happened. He seems to be working harder last year and this year. With that said, I definitely think this is how tons and tons of people see our program. Actually I dont just think that I KNOW that because its ALL that's ever written about us on the internet from other fan bases and such. It is what it is and I think until we get a shiny new toy at the head position that's how it will be. I'm not a JB hater I love the guy and I'm not saying I'm ready for him to be gone. I think what he has done is remarkable especially during our sanctions. Some programs would of crumbled and we didnt. Hopefully he can land some high end talent to close out his career on a high note. Landing Isaiah Jackson would be huge but I honestly feel like we are way behind in 3rd place for his services and hes just going on his visit here to go through the motions. Who knows maybe I'm way off and he has a lot of interest in our program and has a good relationship with Red but it just seems odd and the whole way it came about out of no where was strange. Just my own opinion but I dont think we are a legitimate threat to land him....I would be SO glad to eat all the crow in the world for saying that.
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Post by littleregion on Sept 28, 2019 9:59:18 GMT -5
Why would anyone put it past Alabama to pay? Haven’t there already been rumors the past like 2-3 years that they were already? How did Sexton end up there?
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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 28, 2019 10:15:45 GMT -5
Why would anyone put it past Alabama to pay? Haven’t there already been rumors the past like 2-3 years that they were already? How did Sexton end up there? Before oats time
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Post by cusesky8214 on Sept 28, 2019 15:23:13 GMT -5
I might have to take back everything I said about being a longshot here...I guess we are in a really good spot with Isaiah. Man landing him would be a game changer! Fingers crossed.
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Post by littleregion on Sept 28, 2019 16:05:49 GMT -5
Why would anyone put it past Alabama to pay? Haven’t there already been rumors the past like 2-3 years that they were already? How did Sexton end up there? Before oats time Yeah I know that but still easily could be doing it. It’s Alabama they definitely have the funds even as the second sport at that school which is evident by the past with it.
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