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Post by JazzNC on Feb 6, 2024 20:04:27 GMT -5
Joe looks great so far. 12 points, 2 threes, 3 rebounds and 2 assists at the half. Go Doughboy!
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Post by two3zone on Feb 6, 2024 20:18:58 GMT -5
Joe looks great so far. 12 points, 2 threes, 3 rebounds and 2 assists at the half. Go Doughboy! Just saw a Byrne Dairy truck heading south on 81.
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Post by djcon57 on Feb 6, 2024 20:32:02 GMT -5
Joe looks great so far. 12 points, 2 threes, 3 rebounds and 2 assists at the half. Go Doughboy! His offensive game should never been questioned. Dude can shoot. He just isn't a PG and cant defend a lick. Clemson is a real good spot for him.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 6, 2024 21:11:12 GMT -5
Joe and Clemson won tonight at UNC. Joe played very well. Good for him.
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Post by hofceluck on Feb 6, 2024 21:15:18 GMT -5
Light a candle for the Chapel Hill Chick fil a, Bojangles, and Waffle House managers tonight.
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Post by orangedw on Feb 6, 2024 21:38:58 GMT -5
His improved efficiency and percentages his last 2 years is a bit of an indictment on how he was used here his first 3 years. He’s in the best role for him there. He mostly wasn’t here. He’s a 2 guard. He had a much better year last year here than previously, playing mostly the 2, and he’s continued it there. Duh. Seemed obvious. But he would’ve had to come off the bench for 2 years, and Buddy would’ve had to come out of the game more….or we would’ve had to play less zone. Those were deal breakers, I guess. A Kadary, Joe, Buddy lineup could’ve been lethal at times.
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Post by Ghost on Feb 8, 2024 22:05:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Joe was much maligned, but if he was ever used correctly - couldn't had an absolute amazing run for SU. It's sorta a shame.
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Post by orangedw on Feb 8, 2024 22:09:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Joe was much maligned, but if he was ever used correctly - couldn't had an absolute amazing run for SU. It's sorta a shame. The saddest thing? Kadary and Joe would be an elite backcourt this year, IMO. But Buddy HAD to play 38 mpg at the 2, and Joe HAD to start at PG, and we HAD to play 40 minutes of 2-3 zone so we couldn’t put Buddy at the 3 much. SMH, what a shame.
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Post by orangedw on Feb 8, 2024 22:28:43 GMT -5
Also, I fully planned on Chance Westry locking Joe, and I’m mad that he’s probably going to torch JJ or Judah if they’re on him.
I hope we put Copeland on him, he’ll give Joe problems IMO. Cuffe could too, if we play him.
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Post by day2 on Feb 8, 2024 22:30:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Joe was much maligned, but if he was ever used correctly - couldn't had an absolute amazing run for SU. It's sorta a shame. The saddest thing? Kadary and Joe would be an elite backcourt this year, IMO. But Buddy HAD to play 38 mpg at the 2, and Joe HAD to start at PG, and we HAD to play 40 minutes of 2-3 zone so we couldn’t put Buddy at the 3 much. SMH, what a shame. Were the minutes a product of Daddyball or JB’s longtime coaching style?
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Post by orangedw on Feb 8, 2024 22:40:18 GMT -5
The saddest thing? Kadary and Joe would be an elite backcourt this year, IMO. But Buddy HAD to play 38 mpg at the 2, and Joe HAD to start at PG, and we HAD to play 40 minutes of 2-3 zone so we couldn’t put Buddy at the 3 much. SMH, what a shame. Were the minutes a product of Daddyball or JB’s longtime coaching style? Both. IMO. He got 100% married to the zone no matter what. But Buddy having to play 38 instead of 30? Daddy ball. And not wanting to run Joe at the 2 for that reason, so playing him all at point - daddyball. i guess I was most disappointed because initially I truly thought JB wouldn’t do that. I really thought he’d have the right guys in there as he always had before, and would use Buddy like he was Buddy Boeheim and not Carmelo Anthony.
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Post by Ghost on Feb 8, 2024 23:09:22 GMT -5
The saddest thing? Kadary and Joe would be an elite backcourt this year, IMO. But Buddy HAD to play 38 mpg at the 2, and Joe HAD to start at PG, and we HAD to play 40 minutes of 2-3 zone so we couldn’t put Buddy at the 3 much. SMH, what a shame. Were the minutes a product of Daddyball or JB’s longtime coaching style? I'd say Daddyball 100%. I think JB would have deviated from any long term rule/style to get Buddy 38 minutes a game. I really didn't think he would pull the Daddyball shit, but once he started his Frosh or Soph year 5-35 or whatever from three and kept getting opportunities, and kept moving forward with a green light when he got minutes - that we were in for BIG fucking trouble.
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Post by day2 on Feb 8, 2024 23:20:09 GMT -5
Were the minutes a product of Daddyball or JB’s longtime coaching style? Both. IMO. He got 100% married to the zone no matter what. But Buddy having to play 38 instead of 30? Daddy ball. And not wanting to run Joe at the 2 for that reason, so playing him all at point - daddyball. i guess I was most disappointed because initially I truly thought JB wouldn’t do that. I really thought he’d have the right guys in there as he always had before, and would use Buddy like he was Buddy Boeheim and not Carmelo Anthony. Battle, Brissett, and Howard were among the league leaders in MPG. I think they were all in the top five. Then Hughes. JB subbed less and less towards the end. I think he would have done the same no matter who was starting. It’s not like Girard was the first non-PG to ever run the point at SU. This goes all the way back to Stevie Thompson, right? Triche, Gbinije, Howard, Carey, Mintz…It wasn’t Daddyball. JB insisted on coaching his sons and that was nepotism. Indisputable. However, he coached them exactly like he coached his other players. The starters play too many minutes. SGs play PG and PFs play C. Two guys come off the bench, maybe three. It was a pattern, not special treatment. If QG left because he was worried about ceding time to Junior, then he was being soft. We’re talking about a guy who wanted to shoot threes instead of mixing it up down low. You know…Soft. Richmond committed to SU sight unseen. The coaches insisted he visit first. So he was a bit of an eccentric before he set foot on campus. And when he did, it was in the middle of a pandemic. At a school with some of the harshest, most depressing weather in the country. Were his minutes - or lack thereof - a factor in him leaving? Of course. Can we stop pretending there weren’t other factors, though? It’s not like he transferred to Iowa. He went home. It’s like all of the conspiracy theories over Kawhi Leonard leaving the Raptors for the Clippers. Some guys just want to play close to home. Last point: Junior started because Williams was an overrated headcase. I would have started Junior, too. I wouldn’t have put him at center in the closing seconds against Wake, though. That was the worst thing JB did while coaching his sons. Buddy had to earn his spot, though. He rode the pine for half of his freshman year. Girard had to earn his PT as well. If it was as egregious as you guys want to make it out to be, then both of them would have started immediately.
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Post by Ghost on Feb 8, 2024 23:25:11 GMT -5
Both. IMO. He got 100% married to the zone no matter what. But Buddy having to play 38 instead of 30? Daddy ball. And not wanting to run Joe at the 2 for that reason, so playing him all at point - daddyball. i guess I was most disappointed because initially I truly thought JB wouldn’t do that. I really thought he’d have the right guys in there as he always had before, and would use Buddy like he was Buddy Boeheim and not Carmelo Anthony. Battle, Brissett, and Howard were among the league leaders in MPG. I think they were all in the top five. Then Hughes. JB subbed less and less towards the end. I think he would have done the same no matter who was starting. It’s not like Girard was the first non-PG to ever run the point at SU. This goes all the way back to Stevie Thompson, right? Triche, Gbinije, Howard, Carey, Mintz…It wasn’t Daddyball. JB insisted on coaching his sons and that was nepotism. Indisputable. However, he coached them exactly like he coached his other players. The starters play too many minutes. SGs play PG and PFs play C. Two guys come off the bench, maybe three. It was a pattern, not special treatment. If QG left because he was worried about ceding time to Junior, then he was being soft. We’re talking about a guy who wanted to shoot threes instead of mixing it up down low. You know…Soft. Richmond committed to SU sight unseen. The coaches insisted he visit first. So he was a bit of an eccentric before he set foot on campus. And when he did, it was in the middle of a pandemic. At a school with some of the harshest, most depressing weather in the country. Were his minutes - or lack thereof - a factor in him leaving? Of course. Can we stop pretending there weren’t other factors, though? It’s not like he transferred to Iowa. He went home. It’s like all of the conspiracy theories over Kawhi Leonard leaving the Raptors for the Clippers. Some guys just want to play close to home. Last point: Junior started because Williams was an overrated headcase. I would have started Junior, too. I wouldn’t have put him at center in the closing seconds against Wake, though. That was the worst thing JB did while coaching his sons. Buddy had to earn his spot, though. He rode the pine for half of his freshman year. Girard had to earn his PT as well. If it was as egregious as you guys want to make it out to be, then both of them would have started immediately. I think for me it boils down to opportunity. I think if the other players played defense like Buddy they never would gotten to 38 minutes - maybe, at the very best, by their senior year. Certainly not if in addition to the defense they were totally one-dimensional for most of their career. I think that was notably different treatment.
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Post by orangedw on Feb 8, 2024 23:38:07 GMT -5
Both. IMO. He got 100% married to the zone no matter what. But Buddy having to play 38 instead of 30? Daddy ball. And not wanting to run Joe at the 2 for that reason, so playing him all at point - daddyball. i guess I was most disappointed because initially I truly thought JB wouldn’t do that. I really thought he’d have the right guys in there as he always had before, and would use Buddy like he was Buddy Boeheim and not Carmelo Anthony. Battle, Brissett, and Howard were among the league leaders in MPG. I think they were all in the top five. Then Hughes. JB subbed less and less towards the end. I think he would have done the same no matter who was starting. It’s not like Girard was the first non-PG to ever run the point at SU. This goes all the way back to Stevie Thompson, right? Triche, Gbinije, Howard, Carey, Mintz…It wasn’t Daddyball. JB insisted on coaching his sons and that was nepotism. Indisputable. However, he coached them exactly like he coached his other players. The starters play too many minutes. SGs play PG and PFs play C. Two guys come off the bench, maybe three. It was a pattern, not special treatment. If QG left because he was worried about ceding time to Junior, then he was being soft. We’re talking about a guy who wanted to shoot threes instead of mixing it up down low. You know…Soft. Richmond committed to SU sight unseen. The coaches insisted he visit first. So he was a bit of an eccentric before he set foot on campus. And when he did, it was in the middle of a pandemic. At a school with some of the harshest, most depressing weather in the country. Were his minutes - or lack thereof - a factor in him leaving? Of course. Can we stop pretending there weren’t other factors, though? It’s not like he transferred to Iowa. He went home. It’s like all of the conspiracy theories over Kawhi Leonard leaving the Raptors for the Clippers. Some guys just want to play close to home. Last point: Junior started because Williams was an overrated headcase. I would have started Junior, too. I wouldn’t have put him at center in the closing seconds against Wake, though. That was the worst thing JB did while coaching his sons. Buddy had to earn his spot, though. He rode the pine for half of his freshman year. Girard had to earn his PT as well. If it was as egregious as you guys want to make it out to be, then both of them would have started immediately. I think those Battle teams just had zero depth though, if I recall. That was sanctions inpacted? We were playing a walkon in a NCAA tourney game. Battle was good enough to deserve the heavy minutes IMO. Stevie Thompson didn’t last at PG - ended up replacing him with Edwards - who was the recruiting fallback to missing on Kenny Anderson. Also Earl Duncan transferred which was dumb. That would’ve been his squad. Gbinije actually adapted incredibly well to the position. Hell of a player. Talking a 6’7 kid who could handle, pass, shoot, and defend by the time he was done here. Triche was also a passable PG, especially when compared with a senior like Rautins. After he went to the 2, but was a nice secondary option to Scoop and later MCW. Carey couldn’t dribble, shoot, or pass. Just an athlete. Complete flop as an PG which is why he barely played there - plug was pulled quickly and deservedly so. Our PG recruiting between Ennis and Kadary was absurdly bad, no question. JB’s constant passive shots at Kadary in press conferences made it feel like he didn’t really want him here. It was weird. Always hesitating with any praise, claiming he was out of shape….cmon. Who does that? The WVU tourney game where we couldn’t get the ball past half court over and over, and then he puts Kadary in and he dribbles through it one time and ends the game….lol. My group text was going nuts….”put Kadary in, what the fuck!!!??” Amazing blind spot. What a time. Pandemic and empty Dome, etc….no doubt. Insanely weird time. But you just don’t often see a freshman starting PG bounce for a lesser program. I’m sorry.
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