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Post by orangedw on Apr 30, 2024 15:05:20 GMT -5
They’re trying to say Evans isn’t interested because he’s a southern boy from Jackson. Really??? His other interests are Minnesota, St John’s and West Virginia. They’re not exactly close to home or warm. Keep trying to say it’s not NIL money related though. lol I hope he goes to Minnesota just so I can laugh my ass off at their excuses. Cool, we should land Kadary then. Just pay him more than that scrubby little Catholic school with no fans that we left to die in the Big East, whose program died when they stopped being the only school that was allowed to pay players stipends….. That is what they’ve all said about St. John’s for 20 years now, so I’m sure we’ll have no problem paying Kadary more than them.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 30, 2024 15:07:35 GMT -5
Wrong again. We don’t have to overpay, especially for fringe players. You didn’t even want Leffew and now you’re saying we had to overpay for him? Some people complain for the sake of complaining. I think the point is...do you think if NO other moves are made...is this a tourney team? I don't believe it is. So I want to see other moves made because I don't want Year 4 of no tourney, period. I get the argument about not overpaying. I just don't believe this is the year to be cheap assuming you have the money. You have to get some excitement back for the program. JMO. ...and if you DON'T have the money. Then, yeah, I get it. They are doing the best they can. I go back and forth. I see guys like Davis and Westry coming off the bench and think if we had them last year they’d have been surefire starters. Heck, McCleod was a starter and he’ll be coming off the bench next year too. So we should be better? But we still are counting on Bell and Starling to make large leaps and for Freeman to be ready to be a good player right away. Each thing could happen, but will all 3 things happen?
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 30, 2024 15:07:35 GMT -5
I guess Evans was offered by Memphis and Ole Miss. I would understand losing him to his home state.
That said, we do need to fill out this roster with another good guard and another center. Too many injury concerns and not enough shooting.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 30, 2024 15:10:51 GMT -5
I guess Evans was offered by Memphis and Ole Miss. I would understand losing him to his home state. That said, we do need to fill out this roster with another good guard and another center. Too many injury concerns and not enough shooting. Tough to land a good center. Lampkin is starting. We’re offering a chance to compete for backup center basically, so who are the candidates? You’re probably looking at guys like Patterson and Hima who we just lost.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 30, 2024 15:14:04 GMT -5
I guess Evans was offered by Memphis and Ole Miss. I would understand losing him to his home state. That said, we do need to fill out this roster with another good guard and another center. Too many injury concerns and not enough shooting. Tough to land a good center. Lampkin is starting. We’re offering a chance to compete for backup center basically, so who are the candidates? You’re probably looking at guys like Patterson and Hima who we just lost. It’s a tough spot for sure. I hope nothing happens that would force us to move Freeman there. Lampkin can’t play 40mpg. What if McCloud gets injured again? We will lose Donnie if we play him out of position like we did Maliq. Maybe take a developmental big as a freshman?
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Post by orangedw on Apr 30, 2024 15:24:15 GMT -5
Dasher doesn’t think there was much interest from Evans to begin with. Yeah and he said wasnt necessarily NIL related which I can see as he’s from MS. And FWIW I don’t want to overpay for someone of Lefews caliber either as I don’t think guys like him are. THAT rare. Ehhh I just need to unplug from this for a while. Then when we sign someone I can start convincing myself he’ll be all ACC! I think for me it’s just muscle memory at this point. I think the entire system is just absurdly stupid and I’m rooting for it to fail spectacularly. You can’t have unfettered year to year free agency with no salary cap. Thats insane. I definitely care way less than I used to. I didn’t watch at least 3-4 games last year and couldn’t have cared less. Even when I watched, I was usually on my phone for 75% of the game. I used to not miss a play of a game. I’d intently watch all 40 minutes of every game. The only player on the team I really liked, that played all game every game left us to go to Duke. Kadary leaving killed most of my hope and love for this, and Brown leaving basically finished off the rest of it. In short: this is stupid and I pretty much hate it, but here I am posting about it every day.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 30, 2024 15:32:35 GMT -5
Also, wouldn’t it be prudent to wait until the portal is closed to sign somebody good at this point? If you can?
I mean, if you get somebody good while the portal is still open - other guys might see their minutes are threatened and leave.
Maybe wait until the guys we have now are locked in, and then go hard after somebody good? If returning players don’t like it, too bad? Beat him out.
Just a thought. Yeah, it’s a shitty way to do business but everybody is out for themselves here and it is what it is. There’s clearly no benefit to being loyal.
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Post by alsacs on Apr 30, 2024 15:34:30 GMT -5
The Consigliere and Cto old people are like Biden and Trump. They won’t give up power and our fanbase is in the acceptance portion of the 5 levels of grief.
Our fans accept mediocrity and hoping for the best because the realism has been knocked out of the fanbase as negativity.
I respect Mike, Orangecuse, 0307 and the people here pushing back but the acceptance has sunk in.
It’s pretty apparent our NIL is not up to par with schools trying to win. It sucks and we have become a hope to make the tournament and win a couple of games program. We aren’t trying to compete for national or conference championships anymore.
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Post by sbucketball on Apr 30, 2024 16:16:26 GMT -5
It's not overpaying if that's simply what it cost to get a guy. That's the going rate. Whether or not we think it's a lot of money.
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Post by day2 on Apr 30, 2024 17:03:07 GMT -5
I guess Evans was offered by Memphis and Ole Miss. I would understand losing him to his home state. That said, we do need to fill out this roster with another good guard and another center. Too many injury concerns and not enough shooting. Someone jumped the gun again.
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Post by day2 on Apr 30, 2024 17:04:31 GMT -5
Wrong again. We don’t have to overpay, especially for fringe players. You didn’t even want Leffew and now you’re saying we had to overpay for him? Some people complain for the sake of complaining. I think the point is...do you think if NO other moves are made...is this a tourney team? I don't believe it is. So I want to see other moves made because I don't want Year 4 of no tourney, period. I get the argument about not overpaying. I just don't believe this is the year to be cheap assuming you have the money. You have to get some excitement back for the program. JMO. ...and if you DON'T have the money. Then, yeah, I get it. They are doing the best they can. That’s a separate issue. Yes, we need more players. Plan B for Leffew shouldn’t be nothing.
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Post by day2 on Apr 30, 2024 17:07:35 GMT -5
It's not overpaying if that's simply what it cost to get a guy. That's the going rate. Whether or not we think it's a lot of money. As I just said on the other board, I find that logic to be flawed. Are you suggesting that no one overpays ever?
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 30, 2024 17:21:42 GMT -5
Yeah and he said wasnt necessarily NIL related which I can see as he’s from MS. And FWIW I don’t want to overpay for someone of Lefews caliber either as I don’t think guys like him are. THAT rare. Ehhh I just need to unplug from this for a while. Then when we sign someone I can start convincing myself he’ll be all ACC! I think for me it’s just muscle memory at this point. I think the entire system is just absurdly stupid and I’m rooting for it to fail spectacularly. You can’t have unfettered year to year free agency with no salary cap. Thats insane. I definitely care way less than I used to. I didn’t watch at least 3-4 games last year and couldn’t have cared less. Even when I watched, I was usually on my phone for 75% of the game. I used to not miss a play of a game. I’d intently watch all 40 minutes of every game. The only player on the team I really liked, that played all game every game left us to go to Duke. Kadary leaving killed most of my hope and love for this, and Brown leaving basically finished off the rest of it. In short: this is stupid and I pretty much hate it, but here I am posting about it every day. I’m with you brother. See my thread on hoops and life in general. It pretty much sums up my feelings these days.
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Post by sbucketball on May 1, 2024 15:27:32 GMT -5
It's not overpaying if that's simply what it cost to get a guy. That's the going rate. Whether or not we think it's a lot of money. As I just said on the other board, I find that logic to be flawed. Are you suggesting that no one overpays ever? Every time we lose a guy to NIL -- which is often -- half the syracusefan board says "they overpaid, let them have him". It's nauseating. If that regularly happens, or in Leffew's case if he got multiple NIL offers higher than ours, that indicates that's just what he cost. But people won't admit that because they don't want to make the university look bad. That doesn't mean no one ever overpays. Although the best evidence of fair market value is what a willing purchaser would pay at an arms' length, so even overpaying could simply translate to increasing the fmv. Some would say people have been overpaying for houses the last few years. Appraisers would call it the new FMV. Now, maybe it's a bubble but that's a different point because those are usually supply/demand issues, and most importantly they're long-term assets that can be sold while portal transfers aren't assets but instead are guys who provide services one year at a time. Bottom line is if we're coming up short on a consistent basis, we're not paying enough. Or we don't value the players at what they cost (which would be fine if we were good, but we are not).
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Post by alsacs on May 1, 2024 16:20:35 GMT -5
As I just said on the other board, I find that logic to be flawed. Are you suggesting that no one overpays ever? Every time we lose a guy to NIL -- which is often -- half the syracusefan board says "they overpaid, let them have him". It's nauseating. If that regularly happens, or in Leffew's case if he got multiple NIL offers higher than ours, that indicates that's just what he cost. But people won't admit that because they don't want to make the university look bad. That doesn't mean no one ever overpays. Although the best evidence of fair market value is what a willing purchaser would pay at an arms' length, so even overpaying could simply translate to increasing the fmv. Some would say people have been overpaying for houses the last few years. Appraisers would call it the new FMV. Now, maybe it's a bubble but that's a different point because those are usually supply/demand issues, and most importantly they're long-term assets that can be sold while portal transfers aren't assets but instead are guys who provide services one year at a time. Bottom line is if we're coming up short on a consistent basis, we're not paying enough. Or we don't value the players at what they cost (which would be fine if we were good, but we are not). The other board runs on ‘member berries and doesn’t get we are irrelevant. School is cheap. NIL needs fans engaged to donate or have rich donors fund. We don’t have the latter. The problem is fans are donating but not enough because school wants that money and has no incentive to help the NIL. We are going to pretend what we have is enough and just pray to sneak into the tournament. We are just cashing checks program. It sucks but it’s the truth. Syracuse football has donors funding the NIL. They are specifically football donors and that is good. Hopefully football wins so those donors[ continue to donate. Basketball needs to overachiever to get more donations. Boeheim works for the school not the NIL. Any donations he would get would be for the school. The school is greedy and not a serious school so prove it to get donations. Sadly Red has a tough job because his predecessor killed all patience and has old boomers rooting for him over the program. We just have to accept we are praying Westry pops.
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