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Post by sobecuse on Oct 5, 2019 22:10:17 GMT -5
I know. We don’t play positionless or smallball so, yeah, I hear ya Deano. I see all of our current guards as 4 year players as well.
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Post by JazzNC on Oct 6, 2019 10:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by rustyorange on Oct 6, 2019 11:29:47 GMT -5
Maybe we could start playing more small ball... not small really, but lots of positionless players that can shoot. I think JB is going to shock everyone and actually mix things up this year. Uptempo offense, and more changes on defense, with less reliance on the two three zone. We got the shooters this year.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Oct 7, 2019 7:25:48 GMT -5
Again where does he get PT with a log jam ahead of him. We’re you ok with landing Dre? Kadary plays the same position.
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Post by deano on Oct 7, 2019 8:46:11 GMT -5
Again where does he get PT with a log jam ahead of him. We’re you ok with landing Dre? Kadary plays the same position. I don't believe Dre was a 1/2 but more of a 3.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Oct 7, 2019 10:51:50 GMT -5
We’re you ok with landing Dre? Kadary plays the same position. I don't believe Dre was a 1/2 but more of a 3. Ok, but you said Kadary is too small to play the 3. Dre would also have been a small 3 at 6’6 and 180. Kadary is 6’5 175, not much difference, can shoot better than Dre, and can play all three positions. I agree that Isaiah is a far bigger need, but it just seems weird to excited about Dre but unhappy with offering Kadary. If anything, Kadary might be more versatile because he can shoot, and play 3 positions. He might not even be done growing. Who knows?
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Post by sobecuse on Oct 8, 2019 23:35:05 GMT -5
I don't believe Dre was a 1/2 but more of a 3. Ok, but you said Kadary is too small to play the 3. Dre would also have been a small 3 at 6’6 and 180. Kadary is 6’5 175, not much difference, can shoot better than Dre, and can play all three positions. I agree that Isaiah is a far bigger need, but it just seems weird to excited about Dre but unhappy with offering Kadary. If anything, Kadary might be more versatile because he can shoot, and play 3 positions. He might not even be done growing. Who knows? Good points. I think the allure of AJ was that he was an elite athlete and high riser. Syracuse needs a high end athlete/dunker type. A junkyard dog. We have been lacking great athletes. He was a potential very good defender. With the supposed good shooters we have, AJ could’ve roamed around causing some damage slashing and such. Kadary looks like a nice but pedestrian combo guard doing work against really inferior competition. He frankly looks like Frank Howard at the same stage. Makes me nervous.
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Post by JazzNC on Oct 9, 2019 5:42:27 GMT -5
I agree about the junkyard dog/swagger that Andre would’ve brought to the table. It would’ve been fun watching him play and develop.
But If we’re going to compare Kadary (Dre plan B) to Frank (I’m not completely sure I agree with the comp) I think Frank’s greatest issues were not lack of talent, but between the ears. He played out of position, lacked work ethic, and had no business playing the point. If Frank had been emotionally stable and paired up with a really solid point guard his career may have played out differently, especially if he had put the time/effort into improving his game.
If Kadary is utilized as a 3/2 instead of a 1/2 and has a good work ethic, he may prove to be a really great catch. Look what Lawrence Moten did without elite athleticism at the same height. There are a lot of intangibles that go into being a successful player... heart, guts, swagger, alpha mentality, court IQ, etc. I don’t know if Kadary has those traits or not, but I think he has a chance to succeed. We’re not attracting elite talent these days. I’m inclined to say we should take the chance, and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, the five star guys aren’t lining up to play for Syracuse these days.
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Post by sobecuse on Oct 9, 2019 8:24:42 GMT -5
I mean more body type/size in comparing to Howard. Obviously position as well. I see another lanky type of combo guard. They also were similarly ranked. Frank also looked good against inferior competition at Paul VI.
I think Frank was a talented passer at times. Other areas never improved much. Ballhandling, keeping the dribble too high and picking it up too often, he lacked speed and never was able to turn the corner or split a double team re: help defender, etc. Yes pair Frank with a better PG and have him come off the bench as mostly a 2 and we would’ve been fine. We were also the only school recruiting Howard as a PG. He had some good other offers but they were all as a 2G.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Oct 9, 2019 8:35:47 GMT -5
I mean more body type/size in comparing to Howard. Obviously position as well. I see another lanky type of combo guard. They also were similarly ranked. Frank also looked good against inferior competition at Paul VI. I think Frank was a talented passer at times. Other areas never improved much. Ballhandling, keeping the dribble too high and picking it up too often, he lacked speed and never was able to turn the corner or split a double team re: help defender, etc. I can see the similarities, but if Kadary isn’t forced to play point guard, and can contribute by being flexible enough to play the two or possibly the three, he could offer us something, don’t ya think? If a top 100 kid wants to come we need to take him. If it creates a roster problem then we’ll need to nudge someone else out that’s not contributing. It remains to be seen if Bras has developed enough or will see enough time to want to stay. Who knows what Washington can give us? Who knows if Sidibe can remain healthy? Who knows what any of the freshmen will bring to the table... Let’s take Kadary and let the roster shake itself out. Of course I prefer Isaiah, but I’d put our odds at less than 5%.
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Post by sobecuse on Oct 9, 2019 10:39:49 GMT -5
I mean more body type/size in comparing to Howard. Obviously position as well. I see another lanky type of combo guard. They also were similarly ranked. Frank also looked good against inferior competition at Paul VI. I think Frank was a talented passer at times. Other areas never improved much. Ballhandling, keeping the dribble too high and picking it up too often, he lacked speed and never was able to turn the corner or split a double team re: help defender, etc. I can see the similarities, but if Kadary isn’t forced to play point guard, and can contribute by being flexible enough to play the two or possibly the three, he could offer us something, don’t ya think? If a top 100 kid wants to come we need to take him. If it creates a roster problem then we’ll need to nudge someone else out that’s not contributing. It remains to be seen if Bras has developed enough or will see enough time to want to stay. Who knows what Washington can give us? Who knows if Sidibe can remain healthy? Who knows what any of the freshmen will bring to the table... Let’s take Kadary and let the roster shake itself out. Of course I prefer Isaiah, but I’d put our odds at less than 5%. I’d take him. I think he could be a nice developmental and versatile bench player. I just don’t want him being the primary PG and have lost faith in JB and the staff re: these tall guard conversions into PGs. Seen enough of that nonsense. True story...JB wanted to have Rondae Hollis-Jefferson play PG here. Can you imagine, lol?! Lunacy.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Oct 9, 2019 10:44:36 GMT -5
I can see the similarities, but if Kadary isn’t forced to play point guard, and can contribute by being flexible enough to play the two or possibly the three, he could offer us something, don’t ya think? If a top 100 kid wants to come we need to take him. If it creates a roster problem then we’ll need to nudge someone else out that’s not contributing. It remains to be seen if Bras has developed enough or will see enough time to want to stay. Who knows what Washington can give us? Who knows if Sidibe can remain healthy? Who knows what any of the freshmen will bring to the table... Let’s take Kadary and let the roster shake itself out. Of course I prefer Isaiah, but I’d put our odds at less than 5%. I’d take him. I think he could be a nice developmental and versatile bench player. I just don’t want him being the primary PG and have lost faith in JB and the staff re: these tall guard conversions into PGs. Seen enough of that nonsense. True story...JB wanted to have Rondae Hollis-Jefferson play PG here. Can you imagine, lol?! Lunacy. Agreed. But I do think he’s got more game then a bench player. I think the staff (at least I hope) views him as more of a shooting guard that might be capable of playing the three. I envision Carey and JG3 being the PG’s for the next few years.
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Post by sobecuse on Oct 9, 2019 13:12:09 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a 20-25 mpg bench player a la Dion or Kris Joseph early on. Lots of ifs with Carey, Girard. Hoping for competent play from Carey.
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Post by JazzNC on Oct 9, 2019 13:26:42 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a 20-25 mpg bench player a la Dion or Kris Joseph early on. Lots of ifs with Carey, Girard. Hoping for competent play from Carey. You and me both on Carey. He’s just got to be ready this year. Our season is dependent on it. I hope he worked primarily on his handle and ability to deal with pressure. We’ve got enough shooters. I like the addition of Kadary if he’ll come here. Lot’s of competition at that spot though.
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Post by cusesky8214 on Oct 10, 2019 10:01:39 GMT -5
Ok, but you said Kadary is too small to play the 3. Dre would also have been a small 3 at 6’6 and 180. Kadary is 6’5 175, not much difference, can shoot better than Dre, and can play all three positions. I agree that Isaiah is a far bigger need, but it just seems weird to excited about Dre but unhappy with offering Kadary. If anything, Kadary might be more versatile because he can shoot, and play 3 positions. He might not even be done growing. Who knows? Good points. I think the allure of AJ was that he was an elite athlete and high riser. Syracuse needs a high end athlete/dunker type. A junkyard dog. We have been lacking great athletes. He was a potential very good defender. With the supposed good shooters we have, AJ could’ve roamed around causing some damage slashing and such. Kadary looks like a nice but pedestrian combo guard doing work against really inferior competition. He frankly looks like Frank Howard at the same stage. Makes me nervous. I dont think he looks like Frank at all. Kids a bulldog around the hoop and has a knack for finishing. Nice crossover and a jump stop he uses often. I also have not watched a single tape on him where his competition hes playing against look like scrubs. Looks to me like he plays a lot of tough inner city boys that all have good size. Havent seen any tape of him going at kids that are slow and 5ft tall.
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