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Post by cuseinseattle on Apr 4, 2020 15:46:33 GMT -5
Alabama would be a good fit with Oats. Could see GTown but would he go to a rival? Iona with Don Pitino would be a good fit too but they aren’t on his list. Regardless, if he doesn’t clean up that handle big time and learn how to shoot/finish then he won’t play much anywhere. He needs a LOT of work on his game to be able to contribute somewhere, IMO. Just a major bummer and bust this didn’t work out. He was handpicked early on to be the PG of the future at SU. Fail. My guess would be Oats. Honestly these are all great kids who I was really impressed by how the acted on the bench and seemed to really enjoy being on the team but outside of that I wanted both Carey and Washington to transfer for sure and was on the fence about Goodine. I was really wrong about Goodine. I thought he was going to come in and play a good amount of minutes and play both guard spots and with his size and athleticism I thought it would really help us. He regressed badly and I think that is are larger problem and not just the whole we don't recruit the right kids. I feel like we are even worse at developing the kids which I thought used to be our strength. I mean I watched a good amount of video on Carey and Goodine. They were both better in high school and got worse which is crazy.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 4, 2020 15:56:50 GMT -5
Alabama would be a good fit with Oats. Could see GTown but would he go to a rival? Iona with Don Pitino would be a good fit too but they aren’t on his list. Regardless, if he doesn’t clean up that handle big time and learn how to shoot/finish then he won’t play much anywhere. He needs a LOT of work on his game to be able to contribute somewhere, IMO. Just a major bummer and bust this didn’t work out. He was handpicked early on to be the PG of the future at SU. Fail. My guess would be Oats. Honestly these are all great kids who I was really impressed by how the acted on the bench and seemed to really enjoy being on the team but outside of that I wanted both Carey and Washington to transfer for sure and was on the fence about Goodine. I was really wrong about Goodine. I thought he was going to come in and play a good amount of minutes and play both guard spots and with his size and athleticism I thought it would really help us. He regressed badly and I think that is are larger problem and not just the whole we don't recruit the right kids. I feel like we are even worse at developing the kids which I thought used to be our strength. I mean I watched a good amount of video on Carey and Goodine. They were both better in high school and got worse which is crazy. Goodine showed some flashes and I liked his skills potentially better than Carey. But he was stuck behind Buddy and showed early on that he can’t be a PG either. Tough luck. I have more faith in him succeeding somewhere else than Carey. Yeah, we have been striking out with these combo guys big time. Throw Kaleb Joseph in the mix. Certain fans/posters overhyped Carey and Goodine’s athleticism as well, IMO. There is a reason Carey barely ended up being a Top 50 guy and Goodine a back end Top 100. We were comparing Carey to Frank who was the slowest PG I’ve ever seen. These guys are above average P5 athletes but nothing more. The collective athleticism at SU has been way down. We had posters on the other board comparing Carey to Westbrook and Waiters. No.
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Post by downhere67 on Apr 4, 2020 16:01:03 GMT -5
Reminds me of guys at the outdoor rinks growing up. All the toe drag skill and moves but could never play regular rep or AAA hockey. Guys like Carey are the same, watch highlights and shit like that but never work on the fundamentals. Too bad since he looks like a great athlete.
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Post by deano on Apr 4, 2020 16:59:08 GMT -5
Another classic blunder by staff trying to make a 2G a PG.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 19, 2020 11:30:25 GMT -5
Alabama would be a good fit with Oats. Could see GTown but would he go to a rival? Iona with Don Pitino would be a good fit too but they aren’t on his list. Regardless, if he doesn’t clean up that handle big time and learn how to shoot/finish then he won’t play much anywhere. He needs a LOT of work on his game to be able to contribute somewhere, IMO. Just a major bummer and bust this didn’t work out. He was handpicked early on to be the PG of the future at SU. Fail. Any word on where Carey may go? Haven't really seen much since this. insidetheloudhouse.com/2020/05/05/syracuse-basketball-transfer-jalen-carey-list-seven-strong-squads/I still think he could excel in the right situation, but he needs an up-tempo offense that allows him to play off the ball more. He should go to BYU - head West, young man! I still hate that we lost Goodine.
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Post by deano on May 19, 2020 11:44:50 GMT -5
Alabama would be a good fit with Oats. Could see GTown but would he go to a rival? Iona with Don Pitino would be a good fit too but they aren’t on his list. Regardless, if he doesn’t clean up that handle big time and learn how to shoot/finish then he won’t play much anywhere. He needs a LOT of work on his game to be able to contribute somewhere, IMO. Just a major bummer and bust this didn’t work out. He was handpicked early on to be the PG of the future at SU. Fail. Any word on where Carey may go? Haven't really seen much since this. insidetheloudhouse.com/2020/05/05/syracuse-basketball-transfer-jalen-carey-list-seven-strong-squads/I still think he could excel in the right situation, but he needs an up-tempo offense that allows him to play off the ball more. He should go to BYU - head West, young man! I still hate that we lost Goodine. There is post on board and this was the last I seen - ottosgrove.proboards.com/thread/1289/jalen-carey
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 19, 2020 16:36:50 GMT -5
My guess would be Oats. Honestly these are all great kids who I was really impressed by how the acted on the bench and seemed to really enjoy being on the team but outside of that I wanted both Carey and Washington to transfer for sure and was on the fence about Goodine. I was really wrong about Goodine. I thought he was going to come in and play a good amount of minutes and play both guard spots and with his size and athleticism I thought it would really help us. He regressed badly and I think that is are larger problem and not just the whole we don't recruit the right kids. I feel like we are even worse at developing the kids which I thought used to be our strength. I mean I watched a good amount of video on Carey and Goodine. They were both better in high school and got worse which is crazy. Goodine showed some flashes and I liked his skills potentially better than Carey. But he was stuck behind Buddy and showed early on that he can’t be a PG either. Tough luck. I have more faith in him succeeding somewhere else than Carey. Yeah, we have been striking out with these combo guys big time. Throw Kaleb Joseph in the mix. Certain fans/posters overhyped Carey and Goodine’s athleticism as well, IMO. There is a reason Carey barely ended up being a Top 50 guy and Goodine a back end Top 100. We were comparing Carey to Frank who was the slowest PG I’ve ever seen. These guys are above average P5 athletes but nothing more. The collective athleticism at SU has been way down. We had posters on the other board comparing Carey to Westbrook and Waiters. No. I really felt like Goodine was coming along well. He struggled early in the year, but showed glimpses of being able to fill a void. He was good on defense, far more disruptive, and definitely seemed to know how to play the game. Another instance where we likely tried to go the PG route too early on someone not ideally suited for that position, but whatever, we like to do that. I do think we set him up to fail. I thought after the game where he gave us some great minutes when Buddy went down with an injury we'd see a bit more of him. Instead, I believe the next game we went with HoWa, inexplicably. After it seemed like JB tried to put him on the court with HoWa, which likely puts too much pressure on each for various reasons. I don't know - I hated the guard rotations all year (or lack thereof). The kid made the right move in leaving. I do have no doubt about that. So, good for him I guess.
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Post by deano on May 19, 2020 17:35:41 GMT -5
Goodine showed some flashes and I liked his skills potentially better than Carey. But he was stuck behind Buddy and showed early on that he can’t be a PG either. Tough luck. I have more faith in him succeeding somewhere else than Carey. Yeah, we have been striking out with these combo guys big time. Throw Kaleb Joseph in the mix. Certain fans/posters overhyped Carey and Goodine’s athleticism as well, IMO. There is a reason Carey barely ended up being a Top 50 guy and Goodine a back end Top 100. We were comparing Carey to Frank who was the slowest PG I’ve ever seen. These guys are above average P5 athletes but nothing more. The collective athleticism at SU has been way down. We had posters on the other board comparing Carey to Westbrook and Waiters. No. I really felt like Goodine was coming along well. He struggled early in the year, but showed glimpses of being able to fill a void. He was good on defense, far more disruptive, and definitely seemed to know how to play the game. Another instance where we likely tried to go the PG route too early on someone not ideally suited for that position, but whatever, we like to do that. I do think we set him up to fail. I thought after the game where he gave us some great minutes when Buddy went down with an injury we'd see a bit more of him. Instead, I believe the next game we went with HoWa, inexplicably. After it seemed like JB tried to put him on the court with HoWa, which likely puts too much pressure on each for various reasons. I don't know - I hated the guard rotations all year (or lack thereof). The kid made the right move in leaving. I do have no doubt about that. So, good for him I guess. He also was another kid on a short leash and hate that sh*t with JB. Look at how well the game he played when Buddy got hurt and had the game winning put back.
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Post by sobecuse on May 19, 2020 17:47:46 GMT -5
I really felt like Goodine was coming along well. He struggled early in the year, but showed glimpses of being able to fill a void. He was good on defense, far more disruptive, and definitely seemed to know how to play the game. Another instance where we likely tried to go the PG route too early on someone not ideally suited for that position, but whatever, we like to do that. I do think we set him up to fail. I thought after the game where he gave us some great minutes when Buddy went down with an injury we'd see a bit more of him. Instead, I believe the next game we went with HoWa, inexplicably. After it seemed like JB tried to put him on the court with HoWa, which likely puts too much pressure on each for various reasons. I don't know - I hated the guard rotations all year (or lack thereof). The kid made the right move in leaving. I do have no doubt about that. So, good for him I guess. He also was another kid on a short leash and hate that sh*t with JB. Look at how well the game he played when Buddy got hurt and had the game winning put back. Yeah Goodine deserved more minutes. It seemed like he was getting more comfortable. Had a nice 3 @ ND too. I hate that stuff too with the short leash however I do think JB did the right thing with Jalen Carey. That dude was unplayable and a turnover machine. No issues with how he handled Carey. Goodine yes. Especially when Buddy would get torched in the Zone over and over. Yeah yeah spacing, I know I know.
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Post by cusefan2016 on May 20, 2020 8:57:01 GMT -5
I am not sure BG had such a short leash as guys in the past. I was actually disappointed with what we saw from him this season after what I heard all off season. I was expecting an explosive athlete who even if he needed more time to develop, could really board and at least attack the basket. Instead he appeared to play much more below the rim.
For sure would of preferred he stayed an did think he made strides when he got more confidence and found some mid range game. Not sure it makes a difference to the kid, but he seemed to me to have no leash opposed to short leash. When he did get minutes JB would not give him the one mistake and yank treatment. But I am sure with Buddy and JG going nowhere that ultimately did not matter because he didnt see a pathway to minutes in the next 3 years.
MCW and Dion are examples of kids who barely got time freshman year either, but knew they had the talent to force JB hand for minutes the following year. Dion more because Scoop and Triche were still there and going to start. Goodine just not at that level.
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Post by sobecuse on May 20, 2020 9:48:29 GMT -5
I am not sure BG had such a short leash as guys in the past. I was actually disappointed with what we saw from him this season after what I heard all off season. I was expecting an explosive athlete who even if he needed more time to develop, could really board and at least attack the basket. Instead he appeared to play much more below the rim. For sure would of preferred he stayed an did think he made strides when he got more confidence and found some mid range game. Not sure it makes a difference to the kid, but he seemed to me to have no leash opposed to short leash. When he did get minutes JB would not give him the one mistake and yank treatment. But I am sure with Buddy and JG going nowhere that ultimately did not matter because he didnt see a pathway to minutes in the next 3 years. MCW and Dion are examples of kids who barely got time freshman year either, but knew they had the talent to force JB hand for minutes the following year. Dion more because Scoop and Triche were still there and going to start. Goodine just not at that level. No doubt I was disappointed as well. Was expecting a more explosive player and attacker for sure. He’s awfully scrawny even at 6‘3 so maybe lack of strength (common theme at SU) was a factor along with confidence. Still, he was getting better and we needed more athletic players in the backcourt desperately. Not saying he’s Ja Morant but on D especially where our guys were exposed big time with lack of lateral quickness, he probably would’ve helped more and more.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 20, 2020 16:55:30 GMT -5
I am not sure BG had such a short leash as guys in the past. I was actually disappointed with what we saw from him this season after what I heard all off season. I was expecting an explosive athlete who even if he needed more time to develop, could really board and at least attack the basket. Instead he appeared to play much more below the rim. For sure would of preferred he stayed an did think he made strides when he got more confidence and found some mid range game. Not sure it makes a difference to the kid, but he seemed to me to have no leash opposed to short leash. When he did get minutes JB would not give him the one mistake and yank treatment. But I am sure with Buddy and JG going nowhere that ultimately did not matter because he didnt see a pathway to minutes in the next 3 years. MCW and Dion are examples of kids who barely got time freshman year either, but knew they had the talent to force JB hand for minutes the following year. Dion more because Scoop and Triche were still there and going to start. Goodine just not at that level. I was disappointed early on, however, as the season progressed I thought he was showing enough to warrant additional minutes and a much more extended leash as he certainly offered up some skills that neither one of the starting guards could. Now, that being said, if we had what one could term "typical SU talent" at the guard spots, I may not make that argument, or argue the point strenuously. However, we just did not have that. At all. Anyway, I think with Dion or MCW though the roles were clearly defined, and you're sitting behind people who stand out a bit more. At the end of the day, the whole rotation seemed to lack any sort of attempt to integrate him into the gameplan. Play well one game, Howard Washington plays the next. Play badly, still don't play the next game. Play well, only see the court with Howard Washington the next game. It was so bizarre - I don't know how that kid, or even Howard Washington, could finish up the week without being insanely frustrated as there was no rhyme or reason to any of it. Unless you want to chalk it up to practice......
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Post by deano on May 21, 2020 7:36:03 GMT -5
I am not sure BG had such a short leash as guys in the past. I was actually disappointed with what we saw from him this season after what I heard all off season. I was expecting an explosive athlete who even if he needed more time to develop, could really board and at least attack the basket. Instead he appeared to play much more below the rim. For sure would of preferred he stayed an did think he made strides when he got more confidence and found some mid range game. Not sure it makes a difference to the kid, but he seemed to me to have no leash opposed to short leash. When he did get minutes JB would not give him the one mistake and yank treatment. But I am sure with Buddy and JG going nowhere that ultimately did not matter because he didnt see a pathway to minutes in the next 3 years. MCW and Dion are examples of kids who barely got time freshman year either, but knew they had the talent to force JB hand for minutes the following year. Dion more because Scoop and Triche were still there and going to start. Goodine just not at that level. I was disappointed early on, however, as the season progressed I thought he was showing enough to warrant additional minutes and a much more extended leash as he certainly offered up some skills that neither one of the starting guards could. Now, that being said, if we had what one could term "typical SU talent" at the guard spots, I may not make that argument, or argue the point strenuously. However, we just did not have that. At all. Anyway, I think with Dion or MCW though the roles were clearly defined, and you're sitting behind people who stand out a bit more. At the end of the day, the whole rotation seemed to lack any sort of attempt to integrate him into the gameplan. Play well one game, Howard Washington plays the next. Play badly, still don't play the next game. Play well, only see the court with Howard Washington the next game. It was so bizarre - I don't know how that kid, or even Howard Washington, could finish up the week without being insanely frustrated as there was no rhyme or reason to any of it. Unless you want to chalk it up to practice...... It's pretty bad how JB does his rotations and like a lot of folks, have never been a fan of it. I think someone called him out about on one of his shows and he says he doesn't have a short hook on his bench players and treats everyone say, lol. Surrrrrrrrrre JB. That's why your son can go 1 for 9, have a few TO's, and remain in the game.
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Post by sobecuse on May 21, 2020 8:22:59 GMT -5
I was disappointed early on, however, as the season progressed I thought he was showing enough to warrant additional minutes and a much more extended leash as he certainly offered up some skills that neither one of the starting guards could. Now, that being said, if we had what one could term "typical SU talent" at the guard spots, I may not make that argument, or argue the point strenuously. However, we just did not have that. At all. Anyway, I think with Dion or MCW though the roles were clearly defined, and you're sitting behind people who stand out a bit more. At the end of the day, the whole rotation seemed to lack any sort of attempt to integrate him into the gameplan. Play well one game, Howard Washington plays the next. Play badly, still don't play the next game. Play well, only see the court with Howard Washington the next game. It was so bizarre - I don't know how that kid, or even Howard Washington, could finish up the week without being insanely frustrated as there was no rhyme or reason to any of it. Unless you want to chalk it up to practice...... It's pretty bad how JB does his rotations and like a lot of folks, have never been a fan of it. I think someone called him out about on one of his shows and he says he doesn't have a short hook on his bench players and treats everyone say, lol. Surrrrrrrrrre JB. That's why your son can go 1 for 9, have a few TO's, and remain in the game. Ha. I think it was Axe re: Carey. “Short leash” is a quite common descriptor of how JB (and many others) often handle certain players. Well, he didn’t like that and called to come onto Axe’s show to clarify lol. It was shortly after the Virginia opener I think. It just turned into a back and forth debate about the terminology “short leash” and JB became more incoherent and defensive about it as the segment continued. Typical. Axe just had to cave in and move on.
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Post by cusefan2016 on May 21, 2020 8:43:30 GMT -5
One place he has never had a short leash is on shooters.
Buddy, Trevor, Andy, and so on. For whatever reason he has a soft spot for them and does not want to hurt confidence. Weather its in game or in the media. He is generally positive.
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