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Post by deano on May 5, 2020 21:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by sobecuse on May 5, 2020 22:14:59 GMT -5
What a colossal bust this was. We spent awhile recruiting him as the PG of the future except, ding-ding-ding, he can’t handle being a PG because he isn’t a PG, lol.
Even if he gets into an uptempo system he really has to improve the handle, learn how to finish, and learn how to shoot in order to see any sustained minutes. I just remember that PS article when he committed saying that the staff viewed him as a one and done type player. Unreal, lol.
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Post by deano on May 6, 2020 7:00:34 GMT -5
Problem is that he's not a PG and like usual JB tried to convert him, which as we all know didn't work.
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Post by sobecuse on May 6, 2020 7:13:13 GMT -5
Problem is that he's not a PG and like usual JB tried to convert him, which as we all know didn't work. Just amazing that this was the guy they handpicked and pretty much put all their ‘eggs in the basket’ to be the guy. I guess he was a good teammate but I’ll always remember the T (and ejection?) he got tripping some opponent who was near him by the bench. Can’t remember what game it was. Maybe Georgetown.
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Post by deano on May 6, 2020 8:55:22 GMT -5
Problem is that he's not a PG and like usual JB tried to convert him, which as we all know didn't work. Just amazing that this was the guy they handpicked and pretty much put all their ‘eggs in the basket’ to be the guy. I guess he was a good teammate but I’ll always remember the T (and ejection?) he got tripping some opponent who was near him by the bench. Can’t remember what game it was. Maybe Georgetown. This is just my opinion but this way by letting everyone know that Carey was going to be his PG of the future, then it failed, JB can blame someone else besides himself.
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Post by sobecuse on May 6, 2020 9:45:45 GMT -5
Yeah who knows. Fortunately Girard bailed them out much like Silent G did with the Kaleb debacle. Girard though not a great athlete has about 10x the handle and 100x the mental toughness that Carey does.
It was just really disappointing. All we heard all offseason was that Carey is going to push the pace and they were going to play faster. Well, Carey couldn’t bring the ball up (again) and when he did he just sort of pounded it into the floor in one place like Frank and also got rejected at the rim. I think Kadary will be fine though it needs to be said that they never really recruited him initially. He flipped from UConn and fell into our laps after losing Jackson.
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Post by ckdexterhaven on May 7, 2020 14:17:08 GMT -5
He wasn't a PG? Then what was he? He never shot well enough to be a 2. I thought he was a 'combo' in HS, which should mean he had some PG skills, no?
I have a feeling he's going to thrive elsewhere. He's one Click away from being 'pretty good,' but JB de-clicked him.
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Post by sobecuse on May 7, 2020 16:53:40 GMT -5
He wasn't a PG? Then what was he? He never shot well enough to be a 2. I thought he was a 'combo' in HS, which should mean he had some PG skills, no? I have a feeling he's going to thrive elsewhere. He's one Click away from being 'pretty good,' but JB de-clicked him. Another combo guard, yep. I actually was with JB on this one. Carey was unplayable. Much like Joseph. A turnover machine with a shaky handle. Obviously couldn’t shoot. He never could utilize his speed because he was so cautious with the ball and insecure with the handle, IMO. That all needs to improve a TON if he’s to get minutes in any system, even a pressing-style M2M probably best suited for him like Don Pitino deploys.
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Post by tomcatcuse on May 8, 2020 11:22:28 GMT -5
Carey May fare well in another system as an off guard,, but he was never a true point guard and expecting that was unfair to him, and poor scouting by the staff.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 14, 2020 20:52:28 GMT -5
Carey May fare well in another system as an off guard,, but he was never a true point guard and expecting that was unfair to him, and poor scouting by the staff. Yeah, he was a bit more of an AAU type PG, he needed the game to be about athleticism. Once structure became important, you could really see the lack of anything resembling true PG skills. Regardless, I could see him fare well in another system. I know the Italy games didn't mean much last summer, but he was fairly decent in one of those, and I could see him duplicating that type of game moving forward if he gets some run at off guard, and tightens up the handle a lot. He could be an inconsistent scorer, that plays some solid defense, and can impact a game at times with his athleticism.
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Post by JazzNC on May 14, 2020 21:48:32 GMT -5
Carey May fare well in another system as an off guard,, but he was never a true point guard and expecting that was unfair to him, and poor scouting by the staff. Yeah, he was a bit more of an AAU type PG, he needed the game to be about athleticism. Once structure became important, you could really see the lack of anything resembling true PG skills. Regardless, I could see him fare well in another system. I know the Italy games didn't mean much last summer, but he was fairly decent in one of those, and I could see him duplicating that type of game moving forward if he gets some run at off guard, and tightens up the handle a lot. He could be an inconsistent scorer, that plays some solid defense, and can impact a game at times with his athleticism. Really good post. Spot on with Carey too. Welcome to the board!
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 21, 2020 11:28:15 GMT -5
Carey May fare well in another system as an off guard,, but he was never a true point guard and expecting that was unfair to him, and poor scouting by the staff. Yes, I will find it interesting to watch him moving forward. I think with some of our transfers you sort of knew what to expect, with Carey, for me at least, he remains a rather compelling figure as he fell into the whole "pound the square peg into a round hole" philosophy of playing PG at SU. - Patterson - Seemed like a good piece, but I think he was going to be somewhat limited as a "junkyard dog" type where he went. Could help on defense, provide some athleticism, but was never going to dominate
- BJ - If he could ever get extended run seemed poised to do very well - and he did, maybe even exceeded expectations slightly
- KJ - He was soooooooooo broken by the time he left that I don't think much could have been expected lol
Goodine - He, for me at least, will be a bit like BJ. I don't think he has THAT upside, but I think he'll be impactful down the road for Providence.
Carey - I don't know that he equates well to any of these guys well - as he NEEDS to play shooting guard. Until you see him adapt to that role, not sure what to expect. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have an incredibly erratic Junior campaign, and then be sort of an instant offense, electric type his Senior year. I doubt he's as impactful as a Goodine even, but I think he'll carve out a good niche wherever he goes if he has an avenue toward playing time at SG.
If, like Kaleb, he continues down the PG route, I doubt he makes much noise other than a turnover prone speedster.
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Post by sobecuse on May 21, 2020 12:17:05 GMT -5
Good stuff here. Everyone keeps saying to put Carey in an up tempo system but I think that ship sailed. All we heard ALL offseason from the coaches AND Carey was that he/they were going to push the pace and get up and down the court. Play faster. Well, Carey couldn’t handle it. Much of it due to his handle, IMO. It’s really sloppy and he would need to pick up the dribble sometimes in tough spots discombobulating whatever offense we were trying to run. Combined with either not knowing the PG reads and or not having much confidence, and that’s a bad place to be in. Sometimes when he did bring it up without issues he would pound the rock in one place a la Frank Howard and even Gillon. A scenario that seems to happen often here. Got really fortunate that Girard generally doesn’t have these issues. He bailed out the staff big time.
Could be that our defensive rebounding was also so bad that it prevented the team from running. However, you don’t need some outlet pass from a big to run a fastbreak. I think JB prefers this but plenty of teams don’t. I see PGs circle back to the ball, grab it from a dude, and GO. Cat Barber, Sherron Collins, Frank Mason, Devin Dotson, Ty Lawson, Ray Felton, Coby White, Payton Pritchard, most Nova PGs, etc. But, I think it was more of a function of comfort level with the handle and guys like Carey and Frank just weren’t comfortable playing fast. Carey’s speed was always overrated by the fanbase as well. Just my $.02 as there is entirely too much time these days for posting!
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Post by larrycusefan on Jun 1, 2020 19:02:09 GMT -5
Sadz in a way thingz didn't work with us and ole JC but hope he killz it wherever he goes. Seems like a bright snd smartz kid.
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Post by deano on Jun 3, 2020 10:38:55 GMT -5
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