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Post by sobecuse on Mar 29, 2021 15:45:23 GMT -5
I don’t care where or how they get them. Maybe we are a Top 25 team with some of these issues resolved. But, we will continue to struggle with good physical teams who defend well (basically the whole Sweet 16 field except us), the Virginia/Pitt/Rutgers styles, etc., without these...
1. More downhill attacking guards with speed. 2. A viable post presence who can hold his ground, actually set good screens, etc.
I don’t care how just freaking get it done for christ‘s sake.
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Post by Lucas Lee on Mar 29, 2021 20:24:42 GMT -5
I don’t care where or how they get them. Maybe we are a Top 25 team with some of these issues resolved. But, we will continue to struggle with good physical teams who defend well (basically the whole Sweet 16 field except us), the Virginia/Pitt/Rutgers styles, etc., without these... 1. More downhill attacking guards with speed. 2. A viable post presence who can hold his ground, actually set good screens, etc. I don’t care how just freaking get it done for christ‘s sake. Yeah, we need to realize that when you assemble a team like this, you're in for some match-up nightmares and you have to accomodate for that. If you're a mid-major, it's life. As Syracuse, coming in against a team like Houston and quickly realizing they can just out-athletic your team to death isn't a good look. We need another atheltic guard, a decent (strong) 5, and we shall see how the SF/PF shake out. I could see us being fine if Q returns, but who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:14 GMT -5
Who will leave? Who will return? Who besides Benny will join the team? I suspect Buddy, Kadary, and Jesse will definitely be back. Quincy, Joe and Bras are maybe 50/50? Will JBA or Frank Anselem transfer? I think Marek, Quincy, Allen, Woody and Sidibe are gone. I sure hope JB isn’t foolish enough to count on Sidibe again. I think we could be looking at a massive loss this offseason. It’s almost like JB was eluding to it and preparing folks for it in his post game press conference. We have Benny coming, but who else will we pursue? We could be looking at a starting five of: Kadary Buddy Jimmy (cuz everyone knows he’s coming) Benny Jessie Not sure that’s a starting five capable of much more than a bubble run again? What do you guys foresee? I am hearing Jimmy won't be coming here. I'm not sure why he would with Benny coming in, but then again maybe Bras is leaving because he sees Jimmy coming as well as Benny. So much we don't know about all these moving parts. My main concern is Kadary. He needs to be our point guard and he needs to start.
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 30, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -5
Who will leave? Who will return? Who besides Benny will join the team? I suspect Buddy, Kadary, and Jesse will definitely be back. Quincy, Joe and Bras are maybe 50/50? Will JBA or Frank Anselem transfer? I think Marek, Quincy, Allen, Woody and Sidibe are gone. I sure hope JB isn’t foolish enough to count on Sidibe again. I think we could be looking at a massive loss this offseason. It’s almost like JB was eluding to it and preparing folks for it in his post game press conference. We have Benny coming, but who else will we pursue? We could be looking at a starting five of: Kadary Buddy Jimmy (cuz everyone knows he’s coming) Benny Jessie Not sure that’s a starting five capable of much more than a bubble run again? What do you guys foresee? I am hearing Jimmy won't be coming here. I'm not sure why he would with Benny coming in, but then again maybe Bras is leaving because he sees Jimmy coming as well as Benny. So much we don't know about all these moving parts. My main concern is Kadary. He needs to be our point guard and he needs to start. Jimmy will come... I’d be utterly shocked if he didn’t. Who wants to come here and play for JB these days? He’s miserable, grumpy, bitter, and his zone isn’t well learned by transfers. We’re seriously looking at a starting five of: Dough boy Joe Buddy Benny (if he doesn’t say screw it and go to the G league) Jimmy Jesse That’s a bubble roster for the NIT and zero muscle. So sad!
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Post by deano on Mar 30, 2021 13:52:12 GMT -5
I am hearing Jimmy won't be coming here. I'm not sure why he would with Benny coming in, but then again maybe Bras is leaving because he sees Jimmy coming as well as Benny. So much we don't know about all these moving parts. My main concern is Kadary. He needs to be our point guard and he needs to start. Jimmy will come... I’d be utterly shocked if he didn’t. Who wants to come here and play for JB these days? He’s miserable, grumpy, bitter, and his zone isn’t well learned by transfers. We’re seriously looking at a starting five of: Dough boy Joe Buddy Benny (if he doesn’t say screw it and go to the G league) Jimmy Jesse That’s a bubble roster for the NIT and zero muscle. So sad! I think Quincy comes back but hear what you are saying and agree.
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Post by bowery14 on Apr 5, 2021 18:17:03 GMT -5
If Quincy and Woody are back. We have Benny. If one of the centers can turn into a force we may be decent next year.
That could also depend on PT. If we end up with Swider and Jimmy and Buddy and Joe out there a ton i can't see it. Q with Woody or Benny and a decent 5 let's us compete a bit more athletically outside of the backcourt
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 5, 2021 19:22:49 GMT -5
If Quincy and Woody are back. We have Benny. If one of the centers can turn into a force we may be decent next year. That could also depend on PT. If we end up with Swider and Jimmy and Buddy and Joe out there a ton i can't see it. Q with Woody or Benny and a decent 5 let's us compete a bit more athletically outside of the backcourt Definitely going to be interesting to see who returns. I think Q could leave, but hope he comes back because he’s really our only bruiser. I hope Woody returns, and I’m excited to see what Benny can bring to the table. Also think Jimmy comes too. Hard to predict our lineup next year. I definitely hope we’re not expecting anything from Sidibe. And honestly if he plays ahead of Frank and Jesse and we lose one of those guys because of it, I’ll be pissed.
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Post by deano on Apr 7, 2021 10:53:51 GMT -5
Here's what SU's record has been since joining ACC. 1st column is overall record and second is ACC record. Also first year is when we had our last really elite team IMHO that flunked out in the second round Not really impressive if you ask me based on what we did prior to this. Attachments:
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Post by Lucas Lee on Apr 7, 2021 19:21:43 GMT -5
Here's what SU's record has been since joining ACC. 1st column is overall record and second is ACC record. Also first year is when we had our last really elite team IMHO that flunked out in the second round Not really impressive if you ask me based on what we did prior to this. Not impressive at all. Ever since that Ennis shot, we've been pedestrian at best.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 7, 2021 20:13:45 GMT -5
Not only that we have been getting embarrassed on national tv routinely in these non-conference matchups. I think within the last three seasons we got crushed by Oregon, Iowa, Wisconsin (2x), Penn St, Rutgers (felt lopsided most of it), and UConn. Crushed. Not even competitive.
This S16 and season turnaround was huge as a perception and momentum builder. I like the direction we are headed. Just need more downhill guards or it won’t matter that much, IMO.
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Post by Lucas Lee on Apr 9, 2021 6:34:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I think a lot of times people forget quite how disastrous the past two seasons have been because of how they ended. We beat UNC 2 years ago. We had the S16 run this year. Otherwise though, we compete against mid-level teams, and generally get trounced against anyone better than that. We put the wood to mid-majors, but that's because we are structured like one - just with slightly higher level players. I suppose COVID is another reason we get a pass, but we've been bad.
Adding Jimmy just throws another opportunity for JB to quickly become reliant on someone that hampers another players development. Marek, Sidibe, Jimmy, Joe. All these guys could (or have) kept guys on the bench that should either still be on the roster, or should have been playing more minutes IMO.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 9, 2021 19:17:24 GMT -5
New starting lineup
Joe Buddy Benny Cole Jesse
This is a lineup that’s epically soft. We will win games when we shoot well. But unless Q comes back and Jesse can stay out of foul trouble and truly man the middle we may struggle. It’ll be interesting to see how well Cole Swider can rebound in the zone.
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Post by deano on Apr 10, 2021 8:08:21 GMT -5
New starting lineup Joe Buddy Benny Cole Jesse This is a lineup that’s epically soft. We will win games when we shoot well. But unless Q comes back and Jesse can stay out of foul trouble and truly man the middle we may struggle. It’ll be interesting to see how well Cole Swider can rebound in the zone. Will have to turn into LMU back in the day when Westhead coached and play run and gun since SU's D is going to be horrid.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 12, 2021 14:21:27 GMT -5
New starting lineup Joe Buddy Benny Cole Jesse This is a lineup that’s epically soft. We will win games when we shoot well. But unless Q comes back and Jesse can stay out of foul trouble and truly man the middle we may struggle. It’ll be interesting to see how well Cole Swider can rebound in the zone. Will have to turn into LMU back in the day when Westhead coached and play run and gun since SU's D is going to be horrid. Haha...I hear ya re: pace but those teams had a couple of monsters. Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers (RIP). Kimble was the 8th pick in the Draft and Gathers might’ve been #1 overall had he not collapsed on the court. I actually didn’t know that both guys were teammates in H.S. in Philly and both transferred from USC to LMU.
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Post by deano on Apr 12, 2021 17:29:50 GMT -5
Will have to turn into LMU back in the day when Westhead coached and play run and gun since SU's D is going to be horrid. Haha...I hear ya re: pace but those teams had a couple of monsters. Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers (RIP). Kimble was the 8th pick in the Draft and Gathers might’ve been #1 overall had he not collapsed on the court. I actually didn’t know that both guys were teammates in H.S. in Philly and both transferred from USC to LMU. Yep would loved to see how that all played out that year if he didn't die and how Gathers would have been in the NBA. He was a beast.
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