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Post by cusesky8214 on Mar 28, 2019 10:02:14 GMT -5
I didnt drink anything. I didnt say he was worthy of anything or not worthy of anything. I dont know enough about Jesse Edwards to make that determination and if you do then you need to become a NBA talent evaluator immediately. Theres virtually nothing to go off of with this kid while here in the states and when he was home. If you can tell all of that by the 2 short videos of him playing then ur pretty dang good. Either way it will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could care less either way at this point. We need a 5 but I'm not gunna get worked up about it until recruiting season is almost over and the roster shakes out. That's fair. I apologize. I guess I mistakenly felt you were endorsing this kid. I do think my statistics speak for themselves on roster size/weight. Jesse, Marek and JBA will be unable to guard the elite teams down low. What this means is that we will continue to be mired in mediocrity. We'll fair ok with teams that lack physicality, but against the real top teams we will continue to struggle. I want to return to being elite. I honestly don't see us winning 15 games next year. I'm tired of being outmuscled. UNC, Duke etc can box us out with one hand tied behind their backs. I agree...hopefully the staff is going over every possible recruit available for a big and not just settling. They obviously must like Edwards and maybe hes legit. But I think hes not immediate impact player (maybe he is idk?) But we should be looking to bring in a stud 5 that can help now. Grad transfer or a freshman that's still out there (slim pickings now) I like tre Mitchell alot but all signs scream umass...although I'm surprised he hasnt committed after his visit and teammate did so maybe we get a visit and him and his family might feel like hes better then settling for umass simply because his highschool coach will be on the staff. Time will tell but sidibe is not our answer next year. Marek is a great player but playing out of position. Hes fine at the 5 against small teams but we need a brute to compete in the acc.
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Post by deano on Mar 28, 2019 10:21:42 GMT -5
It kills me JB continues to do this with PF's ala Lydon.
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 28, 2019 10:27:35 GMT -5
That's fair. I apologize. I guess I mistakenly felt you were endorsing this kid. I do think my statistics speak for themselves on roster size/weight. Jesse, Marek and JBA will be unable to guard the elite teams down low. What this means is that we will continue to be mired in mediocrity. We'll fair ok with teams that lack physicality, but against the real top teams we will continue to struggle. I want to return to being elite. I honestly don't see us winning 15 games next year. I'm tired of being outmuscled. UNC, Duke etc can box us out with one hand tied behind their backs. I agree...hopefully the staff is going over every possible recruit available for a big and not just settling. They obviously must like Edwards and maybe hes legit. But I think hes not immediate impact player (maybe he is idk?) But we should be looking to bring in a stud 5 that can help now. Grad transfer or a freshman that's still out there (slim pickings now) I like tre Mitchell alot but all signs scream umass...although I'm surprised he hasnt committed after his visit and teammate did so maybe we get a visit and him and his family might feel like hes better then settling for umass simply because his highschool coach will be on the staff. Time will tell but sidibe is not our answer next year. Marek is a great player but playing out of position. Hes fine at the 5 against small teams but we need a brute to compete in the acc. The problem is that we can't recruit center studs anymore. That's why we're stuck looking at grad transfers, and bringing in guys like Jesse, Sidibe, Chewy, Marek etc. On top of that, in order to take a flyer on a kid like Jesse, you need a top notch/elite strength and conditioning program. Ours is nonexistent. Consider this... JB thought Tremont Waters was too small to recruit, but he's willing to play Marek, Jesse and JBA (in the ACC against the likes of Duke, FSU, UNC etc. at center). I don't think JB has become demented. I do think he's intelligent and a good coach. What's going on here is that he can't recruit worth shit anymore for a multitude of reasons (age, zone, personality, media perception, and the sanctions hurt too). We are going to suck until he leaves, in my opinion. And that doesn't mean he's not a brilliant coach and it doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he's given to the program. And, yes, I'm demoralized by the thought that Jesse is going to be our new "BIG."
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Post by cusesky8214 on Mar 28, 2019 10:33:10 GMT -5
I agree...hopefully the staff is going over every possible recruit available for a big and not just settling. They obviously must like Edwards and maybe hes legit. But I think hes not immediate impact player (maybe he is idk?) But we should be looking to bring in a stud 5 that can help now. Grad transfer or a freshman that's still out there (slim pickings now) I like tre Mitchell alot but all signs scream umass...although I'm surprised he hasnt committed after his visit and teammate did so maybe we get a visit and him and his family might feel like hes better then settling for umass simply because his highschool coach will be on the staff. Time will tell but sidibe is not our answer next year. Marek is a great player but playing out of position. Hes fine at the 5 against small teams but we need a brute to compete in the acc. The problem is that we can't recruit center studs anymore. That's why we're stuck looking at grad transfers, and bringing in guys like Jesse, Sidibe, Chewy, Marek etc. On top of that, in order to take a flyer on a kid like Jesse, you need a top notch/elite strength and conditioning program. Ours is nonexistent. Consider this... JB thought Tremont Waters was too small to recruit, but he's willing to play Marek, Jesse and JBA (in the ACC against the likes of Duke, FSU, UNC etc. at center). I don't think JB has become demented. I do think he's intelligent and a good coach. What's going on here is that he can't recruit worth shit anymore for a multitude of reasons (age, zone, personality, media perception, and the sanctions hurt too). We are going to suck until he leaves, in my opinion. And that doesn't mean he's not a brilliant coach and it doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he's given to the program. And, yes, I'm demoralized by the thought that Jesse is going to be our new "BIG." Cant really argue against any of this.
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Post by deano on Mar 28, 2019 10:34:02 GMT -5
IMHO the problem with trying to get stud centers is that a lot of them do not want to play zone. The problem with guards is he for some reason in the last 5 years or so thinks all guards need to be 6'3 or 6'4" so they can play zone on D which is BS. Tell that to Scoop, Johnny Flynn, etc. I"m surprised we actually signed Howard Washington 2 years ago since he's only 6'1"
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 28, 2019 10:40:21 GMT -5
IMHO the problem with trying to get stud centers is that a lot of them do not want to play zone. The problem with guards is he for some reason in the last 5 years or so thinks all guards need to be 6'3 or 6'4" so they can play zone on D which is BS. Tell that to Scoop, Johnny Flynn, etc. I"m surprised we actually signed Howard Washington 2 years ago since he's only 6'1" That's exactly why JB needs to move on... ALL zone doesn't work if your conference opponent outweighs you by 50 pounds. Duke can play zone because they're big and strong. We don't even look like contenders anymore. We fail the optics test in every way. The only thing keeping me from removing my Syracuse sticker off the back of my car is the football program. I'm that embarrassed by the product we've put on the court the last couple of years.
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 30, 2019 15:06:46 GMT -5
Found some time today to watch this tape of Jesse Edwards. He's #12 in black.
My take away:
Jesse was involved in a lot of high ball screens. I didn't really see much of a post game, but I guess that's not really his game. When he was passed the ball he made some very nice passes out to guards for some open looks. He appears to have nice court awareness, and IQ. He showed a decent spin move, but didn't impress me with his ability to go up strong and finish. He appeared to be pretty easy to push off the block, and didn't rebound well. Announcers mentioned they anticipated him receiving offers from Ivy League and mid major schools.
Final Analysis: a decent PROJECT guy, who has some nice skills, but looks light years away from being a GOOD player in the ACC. He needs to massively bulk up because he doesn't look much bigger than Marek. Still disappointed that this is the "BIG" we're going to end up with. Hope he can BEEF UP!!!
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Post by sobecuse on Mar 30, 2019 23:49:53 GMT -5
Weβre just picking the wrong guys. That St. Johnβs transfer now on TTech would be PERFECT for the damn Zone. Heβs a long/rangy guy who looks like an SU player amongst a bunch of physical dudes on TTech.
Seems like Purdue have very competent bigs EVERY year. That Ivan Drago looking cat on Purdue is WAY better than Chukwu/Sidibe and he plays with fire.
I imagine we simply have to take what we can get re: bigs and lack of interest in playing all-Zone. I think this is probably the underlying root of the problem. That and perhaps recruits watching how poorly our bigs struggle to catch/finish/make a simple drop-step. Lack of physicality also, sigh.
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 31, 2019 7:30:53 GMT -5
I will say this, in the first session Jesse was matched up against a 7'3 junior, so it was a far better tape to watch than the first videos we saw where it looked like he was playing middle school kids. While he didn't embarrass himself against the 7 footer, he didn't exactly shine either. That guy could easily back Jesse down on the block, and once or twice snagged a rebound from Jesse despite Jesse's inside position. I think he was also guarded by a bulky 6'6 guy, and Jesse's lack of physicality was still evident.
The silver lining that I see is that Jesse does have a good IQ, vision and feel for the game. He is fundamentally sound. He has some nice moves. But the only way he can become the player that the staff hope he can be is if he hits the weight room like there is no tomorrow. Since it's obvious that he's going to be the next addition to the team, I'll have to pull for him. I can only pray he will be a highly motivated kid that will push himself to bulk up (unlike Marek, Chewy, Sidibe and Oshae who never improved strength wise thanks to our crappy strength and conditioning program). LGO!
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Post by melancer46 on Apr 5, 2019 12:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by cusesky8214 on Apr 5, 2019 12:53:34 GMT -5
Welcome to cuse young man! Get in that weight room and build on that nice frame you have! Hopefully we are all in for a nice surprise. Only time will tell now. I'm rooting for our young guys coming in.
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Post by walsh on Apr 5, 2019 12:55:42 GMT -5
i've read that he's at like 215 now. if we can get him to 225-230 by the time the season starts we might have a gem on our hands.
5 guys in a class is impressive.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 5, 2019 13:15:03 GMT -5
Kid has some skills for sure. Heβll be stashed and hopefully contribute at some point. Anything even a little better than the production from Chukwu/Sidibe is a good thing. We have seen ALL tournament bigs you have to respect and pay attention to. Guys who can catch, make a simple post-move, decent footwork, etc.
I think this shows the staff is concerned about Sidibeβs health and/or any other issues with him moving forward. That idiot Moqui on the other board is hellbent on hammering the idea that JBA was the staffβs Plan A all along. Baloney, lol. Just canβt have Marek at the 5 except for a few minutes here and there against Zone preferably. But Marek needs 40 lbs. This kid needs strength as does JBA. Not sure I believe the reports of him at 215 now. Weβll see. If they get stronger then they have some skills. If not then I cringe at some lineup of JE or JBA/Marek/Robert Braswell. Albeit comedic from an optics standpoint; weβd likely be slaughtered in an epic manner on the boards.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 5, 2019 13:19:46 GMT -5
Welcome to Syracuse Jesse. I'm a skeptic. Work hard, gain 40 pounds of muscle and prove me wrong. Personally, I don't believe he's anywhere near 215. I'd be shocked if he was actually 205... JBA is listed as only 205 and he is more developed than JE. Anyhow, LGO! http://instagram.com/p/BuDOcOYDLKu
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 5, 2019 15:08:46 GMT -5
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