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Post by deano on Dec 26, 2019 18:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by deano on Jan 15, 2020 14:10:04 GMT -5
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Post by tomcatcuse on Jan 15, 2020 21:56:37 GMT -5
I’d love to land a big like this guy. He’s much stronger, and pretty skilled too.
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Post by deano on Jan 17, 2020 22:09:34 GMT -5
I’d love to land a big like this guy. He’s much stronger, and pretty skilled too. Unless JB is retiring anytime soon that ain't happening, plus he's not a TLS guy.
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Post by deano on Jan 31, 2020 14:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by larrycusefan on Feb 1, 2020 18:46:53 GMT -5
Be nice to get Mac Attackz doing his thing at the Dome. He can hoop it dats for sure.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 4, 2020 13:56:32 GMT -5
So what’s the general opinion of the board with C recruiting currently:
A. Etienne, Tape, etc., are like, “Wow, I’m better than these guys so sign me up.”
B. They see how poorly we have played inside going back to even Keita frankly. Let’s face it. Baye had stone hands and had a horrendous offensive game even though he was pretty good on D and played hard. Still, we would take Keita now that’s how bad things are. So, yeah recruits see these guys and how unskilled they have been in terms of offense/physicality and say no thanks.
C. All Zone and no bigs in the league so no thanks. They also see how bad Buddy/Joe are on D and worry about accumulating fouls.
D. All of the above.
E. None of the above.
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Post by deano on Feb 4, 2020 14:13:21 GMT -5
I tend to lean to C and again a lot of these kids don't strictly wanna play zone on D.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 4, 2020 14:49:51 GMT -5
I feel like zone D for a long, strong, and athletic center can often showcase a lot of what they can do. Just a force in the middle disrupting/blocking shots and grabbing boards. Fab Melo was a first round pick because of that.
In terms of an answer to your question, that is the main mystery and only those recruits can answer. I am not sure it is just "well what are the top centers who keep spurning us thinking?" because it is not like we are recruiting top 50 guards and forwards while center is the only issue.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 5, 2020 4:05:42 GMT -5
So what’s the general opinion of the board with C recruiting currently: A. Etienne, Tape, etc., are like, “Wow, I’m better than these guys so sign me up.” B. They see how poorly we have played inside going back to even Keita frankly. Let’s face it. Baye had stone hands and had a horrendous offensive game even though he was pretty good on D and played hard. Still, we would take Keita now that’s how bad things are. So, yeah recruits see these guys and how unskilled they have been in terms of offense/physicality and say no thanks. C. All Zone and no bigs in the league so no thanks. They also see how bad Buddy/Joe are on D and worry about accumulating fouls. D. All of the above. E. None of the above. For the elite guys I think it’s a combination of B and C. Zone, and the lack of SU big men in the NBA hurts us. But with a guy like Tape, maybe not as much. I don’t know if he actually projects to play professionally or not. If not SU should be a viable/attractive place to play his final year and playing time should be there for him. Also, I think part of the problem is that we’re approaching recruiting big men wrong. There are lots of good centers out there. Every team in the tournament last year seemed to have a better center than we did. We need to return to recruiting the Otis Hill, Jeremy McNeil, Etan Thomas, and Arinze Onuaku types.... players that had some beef. Not these beanpoles we’ve been going after lately.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 5, 2020 10:01:26 GMT -5
Yeah the guy Auburn lost for their tourney run was 6’8 240. Texas Tech had that Odiase dude patrolling the middle and he was listed at 6’9 250. Probably not Zone fits for JB. Ironically both Africans. The Auburn guy was a frosh. We get the worst Africans I swear!
Also we need to get back to having a 4 who is a good shotblocker. I’m shocked at how bad Sidibe is at blocking shots. Marek is very long but he doesn’t block shots either.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 5, 2020 10:08:05 GMT -5
I feel like zone D for a long, strong, and athletic center can often showcase a lot of what they can do. Just a force in the middle disrupting/blocking shots and grabbing boards. Fab Melo was a first round pick because of that. In terms of an answer to your question, that is the main mystery and only those recruits can answer. I am not sure it is just "well what are the top centers who keep spurning us thinking?" because it is not like we are recruiting top 50 guards and forwards while center is the only issue. True. Yeah, IMO, when the new hire happens then recruiting momentum will pickup up almost overnight. Assuming it is nobody with orange ties, we’ll be fine. There is so much negative recruiting with our system, JBs age and personality, the botched succession plan, etc., that it’s doing incredible harm and irreparable damage out there. Then there is the closing of elite recruits JB cannot manage to execute anymore. Other old timers like Roy Williams have a loaded class coming in next season. It’s just time. You get a Chris Baird in the Dome playing aggressive M2M and getting a 5* PG from Cali to Syracuse like he recently did to freaking Lubbock, TX and we’ll be just fine. The days of guards accompanying the ball rolling up the court while Buddy and Joe wait doing jumping jacks truly need to end.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 5, 2020 11:03:44 GMT -5
I dont doubt that. Seems to be a general theme that when a new coach comes in to a highly regarded program recruiting ticks up and more talent comes in.
This is where my defense of JB comes in though, the guy can actually coach. How many times have we seen new talent come in places and these schools are still spinning their wheels having the same mediocre success. Hop or Lorenzo Romar at Washington, Tom Creane at IU and now Georgia, Wojo at Marquette, Alford at UCLA, Enfield at USC, Shaka at Texas, Avery Johnson when he was at Bama, Turgeon at Maryland, and I am sure there is way more I can rattle off.
Recruiting is beyond important of course, but you need to then do something with that talent. If you are not UK, Duke, or Kansas getting multiple 5 star guys a year, it is vital to have a solid mix of top 150 3-4 year guys who can than be supplemented with the one/two and dones to have sustained success.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 5, 2020 11:05:24 GMT -5
Yeah the guy Auburn lost for their tourney run was 6’8 240. Texas Tech had that Odiase dude patrolling the middle and he was listed at 6’9 250. Probably not Zone fits for JB. Ironically both Africans. The Auburn guy was a frosh. We get the worst Africans I swear! Also we need to get back to having a 4 who is a good shotblocker. I’m shocked at how bad Sidibe is at blocking shots. Marek is very long but he doesn’t block shots either. Playing devils advocate... are the guys he’s recruiting now zone fits? Arinze, Rick and the Big O managed the zone ok. We gotta change, we have to!
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 5, 2020 11:11:19 GMT -5
I dont doubt that. Seems to be a general theme that when a new coach comes in to a highly regarded program recruiting ticks up and more talent comes in. This is where my defense of JB comes in though, the guy can actually coach. How many times have we seen new talent come in places and these schools are still spinning their wheels having the same mediocre success. Hop or Lorenzo Romar at Washington, Tom Creane at IU and now Georgia, Wojo at Marquette, Alford at UCLA, Enfield at USC, Shaka at Texas, Avery Johnson when he was at Bama, Turgeon at Maryland, and I am sure there is way more I can rattle off. Recruiting is beyond important of course, but you need to then do something with that talent. If you are not UK, Duke, or Kansas getting multiple 5 star guys a year, it is vital to have a solid mix of top 150 3-4 year guys who can than be supplemented with the one/two and dones to have sustained success. There’s no question JB can coach. My question to you is: Is it better to have JB who can’t recruit elite talent anymore, but maximizes the talent he does get and keeps us on the bubble, with NO chance of the situation actually improving because of his age... OR Is it better to hire a new coach who may or may not be as talented coaching as JB, but can bring in better talent because of the influx of youth, and a new fresher system, who provides at least a chance of returning us back to prominence. I respectfully pick the second option, and I throw the biggest parade known to man and erect a statue in JB’s honor.
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