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Post by Lucas Lee on May 20, 2020 14:37:05 GMT -5
Agreed. Good to see you, brother. Yeah Quincy is even a less fluid Paul Harris undersized PF-type. That’s fine. Let him do the dirty work a la Roberson but we need badly a SF who can do some of things Hughes did. Maybe that cat from Illinois is good enough. But, yes, I agree with you on Hughes and the issues with JG/BB logging all these minutes once again. Not good. Even Cooney is MUCH more athletic than Buddy and it really shows on defense. Kadary looks pretty good. We’ll need him to be ready to go. Without Tape or Griffin I think this is an NIT/CBI type team, frankly. I agree regarding Griffin I really like his game and think he could do a lot of the things Eli did while not being quite as good. What we really need is to have a guard step up who is capable of defending. If Richmond was good enough to do that with his size and athleticism that would be huge. I do think Boeheim would play Buddy and JG3 less if he truly believed we would be better. I think JAB just looked at it and Carey was awful then had surgery and it was HoWash who is slow and can't shoot or Goodine who looked lost when he was out there. I really thought Goodine should have gotten more run but at the same time he looked god awful at times. If we can get Richmond going though or even if we can put Griffin at the 2 for stretches it would really help. Yeah, Richmond really is our biggest x-factor, as we need him desperately. We really almost MUST have a lanky, quick, MCW type guard out there for defensive purposes just to cover up some of the shortcomings of Buddy and JGIII. I would guess if we were unwilling to try Eli at the two at all, we're likely not going down that road with Griffin though. We shall see. Ultimately, I'm just not sure I agree that JB has much belief in anything in regard to us getting better within the year - I think it's just happenstance if it happens. He tends to coach very conservative and just goes with whomever he sees as "most ready" from the jump, and then becomes overly reliant on them. It takes a herculean effort to close the gap - mostly you happen upon opportunity in one of three ways: - Foul Trouble
- Injury
- Playing mistake free, superb basketball when opportunities present themselves
That presents a huge obstacle to any younger player hoping to unseat whomever is currently getting maxed out minutes assigned at that position. JB always had that tendency, but it's getting much worse. We also used to have enough talent where it wasn't quite as detrimental. Now that we're rolling with FAR less talent, it's a bit more unsettling to see it play out in much the some way.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 20, 2020 14:40:23 GMT -5
There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes. I'm kinda in that camp, too. But, maybe i'm less concerned with the labels. I just know we need a 'dynamic' scorer. Someone who can handle the ball and take pressure off the unathletic and slow guards when they're pressured. Someone who can score from 'three' zones: deep / midrange / driving. Versatile—who won't be stopped by just one kind of defender. Eli was great at that. Carmelo was great at that. Mike G, etc. Even if Quincy improves his 3-ball, I don't see him being able to do that from more than a catch and shoot situation. I do want that Griffin kid from Illinois. He's a lot like Eli, and the other guys being spoken of as transfers really would make us a very static offensive team, even if their offensive stats might be the same on paper. I agree with most of this - but I'm not sure Griffin is going to be nearly as dynamic with the ball in his hands as Eli. That's not saying Eli was utterly amazing in that department, but I do think we become even less dynamic as a unit off the bounce. Which seems almost impossible to accomplish, but I do think we're capable. This is all with the caveat that Richmond MAY end up being able to provide some of that skill off the bounce if he gets decent PT and seems ready to go early on.
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Post by sobecuse on May 20, 2020 19:26:41 GMT -5
I agree regarding Griffin I really like his game and think he could do a lot of the things Eli did while not being quite as good. What we really need is to have a guard step up who is capable of defending. If Richmond was good enough to do that with his size and athleticism that would be huge. I do think Boeheim would play Buddy and JG3 less if he truly believed we would be better. I think JAB just looked at it and Carey was awful then had surgery and it was HoWash who is slow and can't shoot or Goodine who looked lost when he was out there. I really thought Goodine should have gotten more run but at the same time he looked god awful at times. If we can get Richmond going though or even if we can put Griffin at the 2 for stretches it would really help. Yeah, Richmond really is our biggest x-factor, as we need him desperately. We really almost MUST have a lanky, quick, MCW type guard out there for defensive purposes just to cover up some of the shortcomings of Buddy and JGIII. I would guess if we were unwilling to try Eli at the two at all, we're likely not going down that road with Griffin though. We shall see. Ultimately, I'm just not sure I agree that JB has much belief in anything in regard to us getting better within the year - I think it's just happenstance if it happens. He tends to coach very conservative and just goes with whomever he sees as "most ready" from the jump, and then becomes overly reliant on them. It takes a herculean effort to close the gap - mostly you happen upon opportunity in one of three ways: - Foul Trouble
- Injury
- Playing mistake free, superb basketball when opportunities present themselves
That presents a huge obstacle to any younger player hoping to unseat whomever is currently getting maxed out minutes assigned at that position. JB always had that tendency, but it's getting much worse. We also used to have enough talent where it wasn't quite as detrimental. Now that we're rolling with FAR less talent, it's a bit more unsettling to see it play out in much the some way.
Good post! Yeah, I think JB treats every game like a Game 7 in order to pile up wins. Why? Probably to make the Tournament. He has been vocal in that camp who believe that getting into the Tourney is all that matters. Doesn’t matter what kind of team you have or building towards that goal. Just get there. I mean I get it. The talent is way down and the depth is down too. There is no margin for error. Can’t play the youngins too much because they will mess up and we need every W as possible to potentially salvage the season because maybe they sneak in with an upset or two in the Tourney with the Zone factor. All good!
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 21, 2020 7:35:31 GMT -5
Good post! Yeah, I think JB treats every game like a Game 7 in order to pile up wins. Why? Probably to make the Tournament. He has been vocal in that camp who believe that getting into the Tourney is all that matters. Doesn’t matter what kind of team you have or building towards that goal. Just get there. I mean I get it. The talent is way down and the depth is down too. There is no margin for error. Can’t play the youngins too much because they will mess up and we need every W as possible to potentially salvage the season because maybe they sneak in with an upset or two in the Tourney with the Zone factor. All good! Exactly - I have to imagine that the game 7 vibe likely has a carry over effect to the team. Which, may, to some extent help the starters, or those designated as such in the pre-season, but I'm sure it does little for guys trying to play their way into the lineup. Even that becomes acceptable, if we have the talent, and we're winning. When we apply that same philosophy to teams with minimal talent, and still fail to develop the bench, we end up with a really prepared yet still untalented team at year's end. If Goodine was a mess, like Carey toward the end of his Frosh year, perhaps you can't play him. He was trending up though - and notably, everyone else was trending WAY down. Speculative, but I think it's probably bad optics internally, because I do think JB probably pushes the same general philosophy - the zone, the zone, the zone. Which he honestly has forsaken in favor of guards that simply do not play it well. At all. I know people disagree with this, but I believe it likely does give the perception quite easily that there is inequity in how you get PT.
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Post by cusefan2016 on May 21, 2020 8:37:39 GMT -5
Great call on the game 7 comparison.
But I do not think that is overly new. Even when we had way more high end talent he was running a 7-8 man rotation. Look at MCW, Fab, Kris Joseph, and I am sure a ton more freshman year.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 23, 2020 7:56:30 GMT -5
Great call on the game 7 comparison. But I do not think that is overly new. Even when we had way more high end talent he was running a 7-8 man rotation. Look at MCW, Fab, Kris Joseph, and I am sure a ton more freshman year. The 7-8 man rotation always seemed fine on some level though. I think for most the complaints were more about nitpicking and Monday morning Quarterbacking. Even though they could get quite heated. For example, on many of those teams we would have some relatively minor flaws (as opposed to gaping holes). In those situations, I think people wanted THAT specific flaw addressed, but could (in a heated debate) likely acknowledge that the guy holding down the fort currently was a REALLY good Big East/ACC player. I mean, I may want to see more BJ Johnson, just because I think he adds to the team some small component that is lacking - so, if we can integrate him, watch out! With that being said, do I think it's the end of the World if he doesn't see the court. Not really? (BJ is a bad example, he should absolutely have played more. lol) At this stage for Syracuse basketball, it seems more like it's the same maneuver being applied without must justification other than fear. We KNOW the flaws - the talent just isn't there, so rolling the dice, instead of a luxury move, seems like a necessity. You constructed the team, you have to be willing to take those lumps at times as frustrating as it may be. Perhaps it doesn't make sense, but somehow, in my head, it does.
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Post by deano on May 23, 2020 8:06:13 GMT -5
Great call on the game 7 comparison. But I do not think that is overly new. Even when we had way more high end talent he was running a 7-8 man rotation. Look at MCW, Fab, Kris Joseph, and I am sure a ton more freshman year. The 7-8 man rotation always seemed fine on some level though. I think for most the complaints were more about nitpicking and Monday morning Quarterbacking. Even though they could get quite heated. For example, on many of those teams we would have some relatively minor flaws (as opposed to gaping holes). In those situations, I think people wanted THAT specific flaw addressed, but could (in a heated debate) likely acknowledge that the guy holding down the fort currently was a REALLY good Big East/ACC player. I mean, I may want to see more BJ Johnson, just because I think he adds to the team some small component that is lacking - so, if we can integrate him, watch out! With that being said, do I think it's the end of the World if he doesn't see the court. Not really? (BJ is a bad example, he should absolutely have played more. lol) At this stage for Syracuse basketball, it seems more like it's the same maneuver being applied without must justification other than fear. We KNOW the flaws - the talent just isn't there, so rolling the dice, instead of a luxury move, seems like a necessity. You constructed the team, you have to be willing to take those lumps at times as frustrating as it may be. Perhaps it doesn't make sense, but somehow, in my head, it does. Good post. In regards to BJ Johnson, the problem with him and his dad, is the kid was advised to redshirt his freshmen year. They both declined and to me this hurt his progression. He would have been an asset down the road but it is what is.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 23, 2020 13:25:51 GMT -5
The 7-8 man rotation always seemed fine on some level though. I think for most the complaints were more about nitpicking and Monday morning Quarterbacking. Even though they could get quite heated. For example, on many of those teams we would have some relatively minor flaws (as opposed to gaping holes). In those situations, I think people wanted THAT specific flaw addressed, but could (in a heated debate) likely acknowledge that the guy holding down the fort currently was a REALLY good Big East/ACC player. I mean, I may want to see more BJ Johnson, just because I think he adds to the team some small component that is lacking - so, if we can integrate him, watch out! With that being said, do I think it's the end of the World if he doesn't see the court. Not really? (BJ is a bad example, he should absolutely have played more. lol) At this stage for Syracuse basketball, it seems more like it's the same maneuver being applied without must justification other than fear. We KNOW the flaws - the talent just isn't there, so rolling the dice, instead of a luxury move, seems like a necessity. You constructed the team, you have to be willing to take those lumps at times as frustrating as it may be. Perhaps it doesn't make sense, but somehow, in my head, it does. Good post. In regards to BJ Johnson, the problem with him and his dad, is the kid was advised to redshirt his freshmen year. They both declined and to me this hurt his progression. He would have been an asset down the road but it is what is. I almost forget about that - there was a lot of talk about him redshirting. Ultimately ended up sitting out a season anyway. He seemed ready for minutes by his Sophomore year though - at least more than he seemed to get in my mind. Like any shooter, when he had multiple attempts a game, he trended WAY up. Which was never shocking, of course kids can't shoot a good percentage if they're always pulled after the first miss. lol That's pretty clearly the best way of putting a kid in a position to fail over and over again.
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