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Post by deano on Mar 20, 2020 14:01:24 GMT -5
kind of emergency situation’ Translation - be prepared to suck worse next year. How can the AD let this happen??
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 20, 2020 15:12:56 GMT -5
kind of emergency situation’ Translation - be prepared to suck worse next year. How can the AD let this happen?? No clue... pretty dumb if you ask me.
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Post by downhere67 on Mar 21, 2020 14:23:32 GMT -5
I went back and did some reading about our recruiting classes, some have been extremely high but like everything some kids are busts.
So if we go back to 2002, here are our national rankings:
2002 1 2003 9 2004 35 2005 143 Blatche never showed up so I think that is why this is so low. 2006 25 2007 3 2008 28 2009 265 Just BT here 2010 4 2011 15 2012 43 2013 8 2014 38 2015 8 2016 18 2017 38 2018 43 2019 33 2020 50
We are not Duke, Kansas or PayPal Cal so we would not be top 10 every year but you see the pattern for a while. Top 10 followed by a year or 2 in the top 50. However, we have to go back to 2015 with Malachi, Tyler and Frank to be in the top 10. The following 5 classes are a little concerning and we have NO ONE for 2021!!!!!!!!!
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Post by deano on Mar 22, 2020 8:04:34 GMT -5
The issue with the HC in waiting really screwed up SU too. If ADJW had agreed what ADMC had in place our recruiting would have continued steady and so would have our seasons but it is what is now. Hope everyone is in for another crappy season next year too.
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Post by JazzNC on Mar 23, 2020 6:25:32 GMT -5
Next year could be worse. No Hughes, no interior scoring, no post presence, and soft defense on the perimeter because of Joe and Buddy.
I can hear it now, the excuses will be rust and lack of summer practice time because of the virus. Forget the fact that every other team will have to deal with that too.
It’s likely going to get pretty ugly next year... 😞
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Post by ckdexterhaven on Mar 23, 2020 13:54:03 GMT -5
It's not an "emergency" when you're very, very, very comfortable in your career and life. He's got his NC, his HoF designation, an AD who can't/won't fire him, a phenomenal wife, his kids in college and enough money to pay for anything he could want. He's Alfred E. Newman at this point.
It's kind of ironic, that what we likely need is not a guy who has achieved a lot, but a guy who really, really, really NEEDS to achieve a lot.
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Post by sobecuse on Mar 23, 2020 16:08:41 GMT -5
It's not an "emergency" when you're very, very, very comfortable in your career and life. He's got his NC, his HoF designation, an AD who can't/won't fire him, a phenomenal wife, his kids in college and enough money to pay for anything he could want. He's Alfred E. Newman at this point. It's kind of ironic, that what we likely need is not a guy who has achieved a lot, but a guy who really, really, really NEEDS to achieve a lot. Yeah I can buy this. I do think the AD probably did have a talk with him at some point around the time of that article about the state of the program maybe back in early Feb? To get better players and stronger interior guys recruited pronto. I just can’t believe Boeheim would’ve voluntarily come out saying that he needs do to a better job recruiting and a better job recruiting big guys to multiple media platforms otherwise. Usually it’s the get off my lawn defensive posturing and a myriad of excuses. He’s a competitive guy but I just think that with age (also because of the accolades and status you mention) performance on the court and the resulting mediocrity has been more easily accepted as the norm. We aren’t a total shipwreck but this vessel has been marooned at sea for awhile now. Like you say he has nothing to prove but doesn’t want to give up his driving privileges yet and Wildhack, just like the state of NY, isn’t going to take his car keys away and JB knows it. Could get really ugly next season without Hughes and an IMPACT transfer especially at the 3. It would take a MAJOR transformation in Quincy’s game to able to be a competent 3 at this level. I’ve seen posters on the other board like Moqui puffing their chests out how we will be just fine running the offense through Marek and let him operate as a point-forward. Lol, I would prefer to avoid that. That’s fine against some scrubs but not a great scenario overall. He’s Ben Simmons now?
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Post by cuseinseattle on Apr 4, 2020 13:32:32 GMT -5
It's not an "emergency" when you're very, very, very comfortable in your career and life. He's got his NC, his HoF designation, an AD who can't/won't fire him, a phenomenal wife, his kids in college and enough money to pay for anything he could want. He's Alfred E. Newman at this point. It's kind of ironic, that what we likely need is not a guy who has achieved a lot, but a guy who really, really, really NEEDS to achieve a lot. Yeah I can buy this. I do think the AD probably did have a talk with him at some point around the time of that article about the state of the program maybe back in early Feb? To get better players and stronger interior guys recruited pronto. I just can’t believe Boeheim would’ve voluntarily come out saying that he needs do to a better job recruiting and a better job recruiting big guys to multiple media platforms otherwise. Usually it’s the get off my lawn defensive posturing and a myriad of excuses. He’s a competitive guy but I just think that with age (also because of the accolades and status you mention) performance on the court and the resulting mediocrity has been more easily accepted as the norm. We aren’t a total shipwreck but this vessel has been marooned at sea for awhile now. Like you say he has nothing to prove but doesn’t want to give up his driving privileges yet and Wildhack, just like the state of NY, isn’t going to take his car keys away and JB knows it. Could get really ugly next season without Hughes and an IMPACT transfer especially at the 3. It would take a MAJOR transformation in Quincy’s game to able to be a competent 3 at this level. I’ve seen posters on the other board like Moqui puffing their chests out how we will be just fine running the offense through Marek and let him operate as a point-forward. Lol, I would prefer to avoid that. That’s fine against some scrubs but not a great scenario overall. He’s Ben Simmons now? There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes.
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Post by ckdexterhaven on Apr 4, 2020 14:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah I can buy this. I do think the AD probably did have a talk with him at some point around the time of that article about the state of the program maybe back in early Feb? To get better players and stronger interior guys recruited pronto. I just can’t believe Boeheim would’ve voluntarily come out saying that he needs do to a better job recruiting and a better job recruiting big guys to multiple media platforms otherwise. Usually it’s the get off my lawn defensive posturing and a myriad of excuses. He’s a competitive guy but I just think that with age (also because of the accolades and status you mention) performance on the court and the resulting mediocrity has been more easily accepted as the norm. We aren’t a total shipwreck but this vessel has been marooned at sea for awhile now. Like you say he has nothing to prove but doesn’t want to give up his driving privileges yet and Wildhack, just like the state of NY, isn’t going to take his car keys away and JB knows it. Could get really ugly next season without Hughes and an IMPACT transfer especially at the 3. It would take a MAJOR transformation in Quincy’s game to able to be a competent 3 at this level. I’ve seen posters on the other board like Moqui puffing their chests out how we will be just fine running the offense through Marek and let him operate as a point-forward. Lol, I would prefer to avoid that. That’s fine against some scrubs but not a great scenario overall. He’s Ben Simmons now? There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes. I'm kinda in that camp, too. But, maybe i'm less concerned with the labels. I just know we need a 'dynamic' scorer. Someone who can handle the ball and take pressure off the unathletic and slow guards when they're pressured. Someone who can score from 'three' zones: deep / midrange / driving. Versatile—who won't be stopped by just one kind of defender. Eli was great at that. Carmelo was great at that. Mike G, etc. Even if Quincy improves his 3-ball, I don't see him being able to do that from more than a catch and shoot situation. I do want that Griffin kid from Illinois. He's a lot like Eli, and the other guys being spoken of as transfers really would make us a very static offensive team, even if their offensive stats might be the same on paper.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 4, 2020 15:02:12 GMT -5
Yeah I can buy this. I do think the AD probably did have a talk with him at some point around the time of that article about the state of the program maybe back in early Feb? To get better players and stronger interior guys recruited pronto. I just can’t believe Boeheim would’ve voluntarily come out saying that he needs do to a better job recruiting and a better job recruiting big guys to multiple media platforms otherwise. Usually it’s the get off my lawn defensive posturing and a myriad of excuses. He’s a competitive guy but I just think that with age (also because of the accolades and status you mention) performance on the court and the resulting mediocrity has been more easily accepted as the norm. We aren’t a total shipwreck but this vessel has been marooned at sea for awhile now. Like you say he has nothing to prove but doesn’t want to give up his driving privileges yet and Wildhack, just like the state of NY, isn’t going to take his car keys away and JB knows it. Could get really ugly next season without Hughes and an IMPACT transfer especially at the 3. It would take a MAJOR transformation in Quincy’s game to able to be a competent 3 at this level. I’ve seen posters on the other board like Moqui puffing their chests out how we will be just fine running the offense through Marek and let him operate as a point-forward. Lol, I would prefer to avoid that. That’s fine against some scrubs but not a great scenario overall. He’s Ben Simmons now? There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes. Agreed. Good to see you, brother. Yeah Quincy is even a less fluid Paul Harris undersized PF-type. That’s fine. Let him do the dirty work a la Roberson but we need badly a SF who can do some of things Hughes did. Maybe that cat from Illinois is good enough. But, yes, I agree with you on Hughes and the issues with JG/BB logging all these minutes once again. Not good. Even Cooney was MUCH more athletic than Buddy and it really shows on defense. Kadary looks pretty good. We’ll need him to be ready to go. Without Tape or Griffin I think this is an NIT/CBI type team, frankly.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 4, 2020 15:12:06 GMT -5
There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes. I'm kinda in that camp, too. But, maybe i'm less concerned with the labels. I just know we need a 'dynamic' scorer. Someone who can handle the ball and take pressure off the unathletic and slow guards when they're pressured. Someone who can score from 'three' zones: deep / midrange / driving. Versatile—who won't be stopped by just one kind of defender. Eli was great at that. Carmelo was great at that. Mike G, etc. Even if Quincy improves his 3-ball, I don't see him being able to do that from more than a catch and shoot situation. I do want that Griffin kid from Illinois. He's a lot like Eli, and the other guys being spoken of as transfers really would make us a very static offensive team, even if their offensive stats might be the same on paper. Good post. Especially the way Boeheim wants to play. He’s not one of these coaches that insists on no ‘ball sticking.’ He’s going to tell a guy to “go make a play.” Even if they really aren’t capable of shouldering such a load, IMO. Force a bad shot? Sure! No problem. So, yeah we need a SF like you say who can handle the ball and score on three levels or “zones.” I’m not quite sold yet on CDBay turning the corner. Getting Tape could be helpful in the sense that, if no Griffin, he will have to be guarded. Seems like he can be counted on to make a post move, hold his position, seal a guy off, etc. That could open things up for the perimeter guys.
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Post by cuseinseattle on Apr 4, 2020 15:39:54 GMT -5
There is no way QG could ever play the 3 for us but I'm not sure it matters. Eli is the best 3 we have had since Melo and we were lucky to finish above 500. We cannot compete with JG3 and Buddy playing these minutes. We need Jidary or someone like that to out play them both to the point he gets big minutes. Agreed. Good to see you, brother. Yeah Quincy is even a less fluid Paul Harris undersized PF-type. That’s fine. Let him do the dirty work a la Roberson but we need badly a SF who can do some of things Hughes did. Maybe that cat from Illinois is good enough. But, yes, I agree with you on Hughes and the issues with JG/BB logging all these minutes once again. Not good. Even Cooney is MUCH more athletic than Buddy and it really shows on defense. Kadary looks pretty good. We’ll need him to be ready to go. Without Tape or Griffin I think this is an NIT/CBI type team, frankly. I agree regarding Griffin I really like his game and think he could do a lot of the things Eli did while not being quite as good. What we really need is to have a guard step up who is capable of defending. If Richmond was good enough to do that with his size and athleticism that would be huge. I do think Boeheim would play Buddy and JG3 less if he truly believed we would be better. I think JAB just looked at it and Carey was awful then had surgery and it was HoWash who is slow and can't shoot or Goodine who looked lost when he was out there. I really thought Goodine should have gotten more run but at the same time he looked god awful at times. If we can get Richmond going though or even if we can put Griffin at the 2 for stretches it would really help.
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Post by cuseinseattle on Apr 4, 2020 15:41:56 GMT -5
I'm kinda in that camp, too. But, maybe i'm less concerned with the labels. I just know we need a 'dynamic' scorer. Someone who can handle the ball and take pressure off the unathletic and slow guards when they're pressured. Someone who can score from 'three' zones: deep / midrange / driving. Versatile—who won't be stopped by just one kind of defender. Eli was great at that. Carmelo was great at that. Mike G, etc. Even if Quincy improves his 3-ball, I don't see him being able to do that from more than a catch and shoot situation. I do want that Griffin kid from Illinois. He's a lot like Eli, and the other guys being spoken of as transfers really would make us a very static offensive team, even if their offensive stats might be the same on paper. Good post. Especially the way Boeheim wants to play. He’s not one of these coaches that insists on no ‘ball sticking.’ He’s going to tell a guy to “go make a play.” Even if they really aren’t capable of shouldering such a load, IMO. Force a bad shot? Sure! No problem. So, yeah we need a SF like you say who can handle the ball and score on three levels or “zones.” I’m not quite sold yet on CDBay turning the corner. Getting Tape could be helpful in the sense that, if no Griffin, he will have to be guarded. Seems like he can be counted on to make a post move, hold his position, seal a guy off, etc. That could open things up for the perimeter guys. For me the biggest thing about Tape is he is a good rebounder who won't get pushed around but I don't think has the lateral quickness to get the corner to defend the 3 which I think is something we shouldn't be asking anyway. So if he can get the minutes and Richmond can play some defense then maybe our forwards won't have to be so far up. That is my hope although I know it won't happen.
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Post by cuseinseattle on Apr 4, 2020 15:48:52 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what he is supposed to say. I can't imagine he really believes this though. I don't know how anyone who has watched the last 5 years cannot be terrible concerned. If he actually says how bad it is it opens up his entire staff and him to criticism as well as current players.
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Post by deano on Apr 4, 2020 17:01:17 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what he is supposed to say. I can't imagine he really believes this though. I don't know how anyone who has watched the last 5 years cannot be terrible concerned. If he actually says how bad it is it opens up his entire staff and him to criticism as well as current players. Hey glad to see you posting again, been a long time.
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