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Post by JazzNC on Apr 8, 2020 18:34:29 GMT -5
Any chance the virus will effect recruiting? I’m guessing some of these guys may decide to stay closer to home? I think these kids, at least some of them, are waking up to the corruption in college hoops. Like Dior, some are realizing that Kentucky and Duke are everything that’s wrong with the sport right now. You don’t have to play for a blue blood to make the NBA. There are countless players who have made it from lesser schools, even mid majors.
If I was an elite talent and I couldn’t jump straight to the pros I wouldn’t attend a blue blood program unless I was from the area. Support your hometown team. Let’s get back to what made college hoops so special again. Wouldn’t that be a silver lining with this virus?
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Post by rustyorange on Apr 9, 2020 5:06:40 GMT -5
I hope you’re right. I’d like there to be a more level playing field. PayPal Cal and Coach K are making a living off convincing 5 star players that they need the Kentucky or Duke name to make it. It’s utter BS. Play ball at home if that’s what you want. Go away if that’s what you want. Play for a mid major if that’s what you want. But for Gods sake stop supporting clowns like Cal and K. If you make the NBA it’s because YOU earned it.
Let’s make college hoops fun again. No more blue blood advantage. No more bags. That would be a silver lining indeed.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 9, 2020 8:43:47 GMT -5
I still think those kids play hard for Cal and K. They usually improve (as they should being elite talents) but, for the most part, if you don’t play hard and don’t defend then you don’t play. If you don’t move and share the ball then you won’t play.
As far as the rest of college ball? No real complaints. No bags at Villanova or Gonzaga. No bags at UNC. Same at Virginia, Michigan, Oregon, Florida St., Ohio St., Texas Tech, Purdue, etc. Lots of good stories and programs who are doing it with recruiting and player development. Just wish more players would stick around like the good old days where teams develop continuity and are easier to follow and be identified with by the common fan. Tired of the constant roster turnover these days.
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Post by deano on Apr 9, 2020 10:35:32 GMT -5
No way UNC, Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio State are clean.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 9, 2020 10:43:35 GMT -5
No way UNC, Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio State are clean. Maybe with academics and such but I don’t see why their recruiting would be shady. Any trip to Eugene to see their Nike funded palatial facilities combined with Altman who is a fine coach would sell itself. Howard has cred and Michigan’s recent renovation at Crisler Arena is incredible. Chris Holtmann is a straight shooter Butler cat. I don’t know. There just are a lot of desirable places to play ball.
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Post by deano on Apr 9, 2020 12:43:37 GMT -5
Why do you think Chip Kelly really left Oregon . Michigan - Fab 5 enuff said. Ohio State - to me they've always been that way. I still recall that one class where they made it to the finals with that kid who was supposed to the next coming Center then was a flop in the NBA. UNC - they've always had connections then you have the famous classes scandal.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 9, 2020 16:25:50 GMT -5
Why do you think Chip Kelly really left Oregon . Michigan - Fab 5 enuff said. Ohio State - to me they've always been that way. I still recall that one class where they made it to the finals with that kid who was supposed to the next coming Center then was a flop in the NBA. UNC - they've always had connections then you have the famous classes scandal. I don’t know man. Beilein ran a tight ship and their current AD does too. I’m sure he looked into Howard‘s dealings. This ain’t Steve Fisher days and until they get into any trouble I’m giving UM the benefit of the doubt. Altman is a no nonsense guy. Oregon doesn’t need to cheat with Phil Knight backing the athletics. Not sure about Chip. Same with OSU. Not sure anything was a big deal at all with Oden or Sullinger or whoever you were referring to. Again, Holtmann doesn’t mess around. I live in Ohio and am not a fan per se but they are well run. Think you are reaching a bit, ha. 🤔
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Post by downhere67 on Apr 9, 2020 16:40:16 GMT -5
No way UNC, Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio State are clean. As Deano can attest, Oregon's name comes up often during "The Scheme" documentary. UNC, that fake class thing might have been mostly football guys but lots of men's and women's basketball players used it. Just read some of the quotes from McCants about these courses. People love to think the country bumpkin Roy would never cheat, I think he is a hear no evil see no evil type of guy. Izzo is the guy I wonder who is next to fall considering all the shit that has gone on at the 2nd biggest publicly funded school down there. The gig where he talked to a victim before the cops did is shady. Michigan and Ohio State have already been burnt before for shit so I would not believe a thing that came out those two schools. It is like Eddie Sutton all of a sudden becoming reformed because he is going into the hall.
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 9, 2020 18:12:15 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. You have new ADs, Presidents, coaching staffs, etc., at places like Ohio St and Michigan. You can’t just label UM/OSU guilty because there was a little trouble a nearly a decade ago and re: UM back into the early 90s lol. UNC had academic violations under Dean Smith and Roy. Not recruiting malfeasance under Roy. Nor issues with Roy at Kansas. You can’t just tar and feather Roy because we think he might have done something shady and Izzo’s potential issues have nothing to do with recruiting. I’ll have to give the HBO/Dawkins doc a view re: Oregon.
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Post by downhere67 on Apr 10, 2020 9:50:35 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. You have new ADs, Presidents, coaching staffs, etc., at places like Ohio St and Michigan. You can’t just label UM/OSU guilty because there was a little trouble a nearly a decade ago and re: UM back into the early 90s lol. UNC had academic violations under Dean Smith and Roy. Not recruiting malfeasance under Roy. Nor issues with Roy at Kansas. You can’t just tar and feather Roy because we think he might have done something shady and Izzo’s potential issues have nothing to do with recruiting. I’ll have to give the HBO/Dawkins doc a view re: Oregon. I might be jaded but the kid that comes up a lot in that show is Nasir Little, where did he happen to go to school?
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 10, 2020 14:18:46 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. You have new ADs, Presidents, coaching staffs, etc., at places like Ohio St and Michigan. You can’t just label UM/OSU guilty because there was a little trouble a nearly a decade ago and re: UM back into the early 90s lol. UNC had academic violations under Dean Smith and Roy. Not recruiting malfeasance under Roy. Nor issues with Roy at Kansas. You can’t just tar and feather Roy because we think he might have done something shady and Izzo’s potential issues have nothing to do with recruiting. I’ll have to give the HBO/Dawkins doc a view re: Oregon. I might be jaded but the kid that comes up a lot in that show is Nasir Little, where did he happen to go to school? Haven’t watched yet but I will! Interesting re: Little.
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Post by rustyorange on Apr 11, 2020 7:59:33 GMT -5
I hope the pandemic works in our favor today and Quincy Ballard chooses to stay home and play at Syracuse. LGO!
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Post by sobecuse on Apr 11, 2020 8:17:02 GMT -5
The Scheme was super interesting and well done. I was blown away with the details of how the Feds botched up most of it and hung Dawkins out to try. Dawkins DIDN’T want to pay the coaches and just took the Government money for himself, lol. Dawkins was smart. He wanted to get in with the families early and build relationships. Crazy how he developed a pretty trusted scouting service/website when he was in HIGH SCHOOL that coaches would pay for! Very clear that Wade and Miller were simply gunslingers who would do anything. Looks like Pitino was that way. Who knows about Little. As far as UM or OSU? IMO, that’s simply monster shoe deals for powerhouse (even though football is still king) and huge state schools. Same with Texas. Very visible to all in fertile recruiting areas as well. I’m not ready to label UM or OSU as shady b-ball recruiting, though. Just not fair or accurate. Especially with Beilein. Matta too was largely considered a straight shooter like Beilein. One of the reasons Beilein left Michigan was BECAUSE he got tired of the constant recruiting games.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 22, 2020 7:45:47 GMT -5
The Scheme was super interesting and well done. I was blown away with the details of how the Feds botched up most of it and hung Dawkins out to try. Dawkins DIDN’T want to pay the coaches and just took the Government money for himself, lol. Dawkins was smart. He wanted to get in with the families early and build relationships. Crazy how he developed a pretty trusted scouting service/website when he was in HIGH SCHOOL that coaches would pay for! Very clear that Wade and Miller were simply gunslingers who would do anything. Looks like Pitino was that way. Who knows about Little. As far as UM or OSU? IMO, that’s simply monster shoe deals for powerhouse (even though football is still king) and huge state schools. Same with Texas. Very visible to all in fertile recruiting areas as well. I’m not ready to label UM or OSU as shady b-ball recruiting, though. Just not fair or accurate. Especially with Beilein. Matta too was largely considered a straight shooter like Beilein. One of the reasons Beilein left Michigan was BECAUSE he got tired of the constant recruiting games. Is there any place you can stream it, or did you just watch on HBO?
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Post by sobecuse on May 22, 2020 8:27:56 GMT -5
The Scheme was super interesting and well done. I was blown away with the details of how the Feds botched up most of it and hung Dawkins out to try. Dawkins DIDN’T want to pay the coaches and just took the Government money for himself, lol. Dawkins was smart. He wanted to get in with the families early and build relationships. Crazy how he developed a pretty trusted scouting service/website when he was in HIGH SCHOOL that coaches would pay for! Very clear that Wade and Miller were simply gunslingers who would do anything. Looks like Pitino was that way. Who knows about Little. As far as UM or OSU? IMO, that’s simply monster shoe deals for powerhouse (even though football is still king) and huge state schools. Same with Texas. Very visible to all in fertile recruiting areas as well. I’m not ready to label UM or OSU as shady b-ball recruiting, though. Just not fair or accurate. Especially with Beilein. Matta too was largely considered a straight shooter like Beilein. One of the reasons Beilein left Michigan was BECAUSE he got tired of the constant recruiting games. Is there any place you can stream it, or did you just watch on HBO? Watched on HBO or whatever platform it’s on. If you don’t have HBO and have Apple TV, I think they along with most platforms are still offering free steaming for a month.
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