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Post by alsacs on Oct 29, 2023 19:21:20 GMT -5
The next coach if this program wants to actually be competitive should be Ed Orgeron. He can recruit. Syracuse’s biggest problem is talent. Coaching matters and O isn’t the best at coaching but he would be able to recruit talent and he would be able to fix the DL and OL.
The guy has baggage off the field but nothing more than he likes to have a fun with ladies when he is married. I don’t care about that stuff as we won’t have LSU expectations. This guy is the best bet but Wildhack is a conservative stick in the mud and will likely hire a cheap I-AA coach or coordinator.
Syracuse needs talent more than anything. O would have a connection to the P era as well.
If not Orgeron then I want the best recruiter we can get. Syracuse isn’t going to get a great coach we just need talent.
Infuse talent and it may take 2 years but the talent will pop.
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Post by orangedw on Oct 29, 2023 20:33:14 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing anybody can recruit talent to Syracuse, at this point.
Ed O recruited at USC, Tennessee, and LSU….those are layups.
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Post by alsacs on Oct 29, 2023 21:54:51 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing anybody can recruit talent to Syracuse, at this point. Ed O recruited at USC, Tennessee, and LSU….those are layups. I get being skeptical as with the last 20+ years I wouldn’t believe it till I see either but Orgeron can recruit. He wouldn’t get us 5 stars but he would get 4 stars the guy can recruit. He has the charisma and has relationships. Of course the places at USC and LSU helped but he was at Syracuse and recruited well at Ole Miss as well. He is a guy I would pay just to get us players and then the talent will be there. Deion got talent to Colorado it takes a coach kids like to get recruits now. We need a coach who can attract talent. I don’t think our stick in the mud AD will do anything but huff and puff a big game with media who don’t challenge him and then hire a cheap hire and use PR to make it seem like a great hire. Wildhack doesn’t get enough shit for his terrible job. He let women’s hoops have a complete waste of a season because he didn’t want to be proactive and the messes with lacrosse. That isn’t even touching how he let Daddyball take over so badly it had to bottom out and that but this next football coach has to be a guy who can compete and recruit. We need a hire that can actually make a splash. None of these I-AAs or coordinators do anything to inspire. I don’t want another mid major coach as been done there done that.
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Post by day2 on Oct 30, 2023 1:37:03 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing anybody can recruit talent to Syracuse, at this point. Ed O recruited at USC, Tennessee, and LSU….those are layups. I get being skeptical as with the last 20+ years I wouldn’t believe it till I see either but Orgeron can recruit. He wouldn’t get us 5 stars but he would get 4 stars the guy can recruit. He has the charisma and has relationships. Of course the places at USC and LSU helped but he was at Syracuse and recruited well at Ole Miss as well. He is a guy I would pay just to get us players and then the talent will be there. Deion got talent to Colorado it takes a coach kids like to get recruits now. We need a coach who can attract talent. I don’t think our stick in the mud AD will do anything but huff and puff a big game with media who don’t challenge him and then hire a cheap hire and use PR to make it seem like a great hire. Wildhack doesn’t get enough shit for his terrible job. He let women’s hoops have a complete waste of a season because he didn’t want to be proactive and the messes with lacrosse. That isn’t even touching how he let Daddyball take over so badly it had to bottom out and that but this next football coach has to be a guy who can compete and recruit. We need a hire that can actually make a splash. None of these I-AAs or coordinators do anything to inspire. I don’t want another mid major coach as been done there done that. The Wildhack era has left a lot to be desired. He hasn’t delivered on anything he was supposed to bring to the table.
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Post by alsacs on Oct 30, 2023 9:26:36 GMT -5
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Post by orangedw on Oct 30, 2023 10:10:37 GMT -5
I get being skeptical as with the last 20+ years I wouldn’t believe it till I see either but Orgeron can recruit. He wouldn’t get us 5 stars but he would get 4 stars the guy can recruit. He has the charisma and has relationships. Of course the places at USC and LSU helped but he was at Syracuse and recruited well at Ole Miss as well. He is a guy I would pay just to get us players and then the talent will be there. Deion got talent to Colorado it takes a coach kids like to get recruits now. We need a coach who can attract talent. I don’t think our stick in the mud AD will do anything but huff and puff a big game with media who don’t challenge him and then hire a cheap hire and use PR to make it seem like a great hire. Wildhack doesn’t get enough shit for his terrible job. He let women’s hoops have a complete waste of a season because he didn’t want to be proactive and the messes with lacrosse. That isn’t even touching how he let Daddyball take over so badly it had to bottom out and that but this next football coach has to be a guy who can compete and recruit. We need a hire that can actually make a splash. None of these I-AAs or coordinators do anything to inspire. I don’t want another mid major coach as been done there done that. The Wildhack era has left a lot to be desired. He hasn’t delivered on anything he was supposed to bring to the table. I understand the Boeheim situation was an extremely difficult one to handle, but yeah overall I’m not real sure on him. Does he get credit for the Dome renovations? Because that’s been good. But having JB hang on so his kids could take all the shots was awful, and the football program has largely been awful with no changes. If we go 4-8 and nothing happens it really send a message that we’re not serious about trying to win.
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Post by hofceluck on Nov 1, 2023 13:28:31 GMT -5
I think it's time we hit up the Frank Maloney coaching tree and see if Nick Saban wants to come back home!
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Post by alsacs on Nov 2, 2023 23:10:23 GMT -5
If Army is going to drop us next year and odds are they based on keeping Navy, Air Force and an FCS game as nonconference games to with there 8 AAC games then wonderkid Wildhack could signup for a paycheck game at a big boy school next year and use that money to pay for Dino’s buyout. Of course that would require the AD to actually use the paycheck game for that. With tight the budget allegedly is when it’s not to anyone with a brain. Fact of the matter is if we lose to BC we need a new coaching staff.
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Post by alsacs on Nov 3, 2023 23:13:54 GMT -5
If Tony White is even a finalist for the SU HC job just shut it down. Wildhack would be such a friggin joke if he hires Tony White.
He would be saying he puts no effort into these searches and just hires the guy closest to the status quo that is change.
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Post by floridafan on Nov 3, 2023 23:51:41 GMT -5
Dasher said that the two candidates are DC’s so I wouldn’t be suprised if one of them is him. He said one of them doesn’t recruit which is interesting. Al Golden was top 2 every year at Miami in the ACC for recruiting. It couldn’t be Shafer again?
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Post by JazzNC on Nov 4, 2023 5:23:16 GMT -5
No one we hire with our current budget is going to fare that much better than Babers. We want big boy results with half the funding. Not going to happen.
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Post by alsacs on Nov 4, 2023 7:40:38 GMT -5
Dasher said that the two candidates are DC’s so I wouldn’t be suprised if one of them is him. He said one of them doesn’t recruit which is interesting. Al Golden was top 2 every year at Miami in the ACC for recruiting. It couldn’t be Shafer again? Wildhack is buddies with several moderators over there. Not Dasher but others. If he tries to serve us the Tony White hire honestly I won’t even watch SU football for a few years not even casually. As an alum I am sick of Wildhack’s approach to any coaching change and he doesn’t get enough shit for the woman’s basketball situation with Q and punting a entire season on that program because he didn’t want to make changes. The Athletic article was terrible and he just let that program disintegrate so he could wait to hire an alum who will take years to just be mediocre. Men’s lacrosse has been poor. He does nothing but talk to the media like Syracuse fans are morons and speak like a corporate suit who is a robot. But he talks host parties with alums and entertain them. The fact he is letting the current HC stay on until we have 6 losses is a joke: it’s over we all know it. Do not hire Al Golden or Tony White. This fanbase deserves better but corporate suit Wildhack will serve us shit sandwiches and have no care his fans aren’t stupid because he will access and time to the elites. It’s maddening I called him out for years because he let Boeheim run basketball into the ground.
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Post by orangedw on Nov 4, 2023 9:55:54 GMT -5
White was a pretty good DC here, but I don’t think the resume is strong enough for him to get the HC job here. Let him go be a HC somewhere else first and see if he’s any good. If he is, THEN try to get him.
Golden….I need more info. I remember him doing very well at Temple and getting the Miami job. I don’t really remember what happened at Miami.
Penn State grad, grew up in NJ, coached at Virginia, BC, Penn State, Temple, Miami……would seem he’d have recruiting connections up and down the East coast?
IF that’s the case and he could get players here, and has plans for a sensible offensive system and hires a legit good OC…..then I’m willing to listen. If he’s going to meathead it up, then hell no. Dino tried to bring a smart system to the Dome and it was working for a few years, and then 2019-on he abandoned it. We’re playing Shafer/GRob ball these days. We should be a dangerous, fast, and weird team to play against and the Dome should be a place nobody wants to travel to.
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Post by alsacs on Nov 4, 2023 10:59:29 GMT -5
White was a pretty good DC here, but I don’t think the resume is strong enough for him to get the HC job here. Let him go be a HC somewhere else first and see if he’s any good. If he is, THEN try to get him. Golden….I need more info. I remember him doing very well at Temple and getting the Miami job. I don’t really remember what happened at Miami. Penn State grad, grew up in NJ, coached at Virginia, BC, Penn State, Temple, Miami……would seem he’d have recruiting connections up and down the East coast? IF that’s the case and he could get players here, and has plans for a sensible offensive system and hires a legit good OC…..then I’m willing to listen. If he’s going to meathead it up, then hell no. Dino tried to bring a smart system to the Dome and it was working for a few years, and then 2019-on he abandoned it. We’re playing Shafer/GRob ball these days. We should be a dangerous, fast, and weird team to play against and the Dome should be a place nobody wants to travel to. White was a good DC but he isn’t worth giving a P5 job to a complete unknown HC with no experience because Rock Star Wildhack loves him. If Wildhack hires White it won’t change anything it would be like hiring Shafer and just show much of a loser organization Syracuse athletics is and I like White. Al Golden is the Notre Dame DC and Notre Dame fans know he isn’t good. He was decent at temple but spectacularly bad at Miami. The guy is a Penn state guy and can recruit at factories but wouldn’t at Syracuse. We need to hire someone that will completely change the current Syracuse culture. Something John Wildhack hasn’t shown he can or will do. It’s going to be a band-aid to a bleeding vein solution. He is cheap and the administration has no respect for the fanbase left. Just tailor to the people who go to private gathering and fundraise. Bayside is the pocket of Wildhack. He is a poster usually but he is completely bias and pro-JW because of relationships.
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Post by floridafan on Nov 4, 2023 11:50:44 GMT -5
I’m of the personal opinion that “offensive-minded” and “defensive-minded” stuff about coaches is a bunch of bullshit lol. All coaches want to be successful on both sides of the ball, idc if we hire some coach who only wants to pay attention to his defense as long as his OC isn’t trash. Regardless of their skills I don’t dislike the White/Golden rumors on the basis of them being DC’s. Babers was supposed to be an offensive Guru and look how he turned out. Give me a good coach who was on either side of the ball and let’s give him the money to get other good staff on both sides. Frankly hiring a coach who is more defensive minded is better because then you can save money on coaches there and spend more on offense
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