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Post by alsacs on Jan 15, 2024 15:37:08 GMT -5
How do we have 4 guys on scholarship. Now one got hurt but they contribute little to nothing. Junior Naheem McCloud- out for the season Junior Mounir Hima isn’t contributing Redshirt Freshman Peter Carey isn’t contributing Freshman William Paterson is redshirting and can’t help.
How we always seem to have multiple projects on the roster and.get very little bang for our buck for these players. Freshman year I saw potential in Jesse Edwards I remember saying his freshman he had college Gobert potential. I meant in college and not in the pros obviously.
We keep playing players out of position and can’t even function a college roster that has good player development.
Patterson was called Chaz Owens when we recruited him.
Just watching the UNC game our bigs got dominated. I like Brown but he needs help.
I feel bad for Red Autry but he needs to overhaul how business has been done in Syracuse basketball.
I can’t stand the stuck in the mud status quo we have been doing. This is the greatest class in Syracuse history who are Sophomores I am watching Marquette-Villanova first half and we are playing a completely different game and those aren’t even elite teams.
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Post by day2 on Jan 15, 2024 15:54:07 GMT -5
How do we have 4 guys on scholarship. Now one got hurt but they contribute little to nothing. Junior Naheem McCloud- out for the season Junior Mounir Hima isn’t contributing Redshirt Freshman Peter Carey isn’t contributing Freshman William Paterson is redshirting and can’t help. How we always seem to have multiple projects on the roster and.get very little bang for our buck for these players. Freshman year I saw potential in Jesse Edwards I remember saying his freshman he had college Gobert potential. I meant in college and not in the pros obviously. We keep playing players out of position and can’t even function a college roster that has good player development. Patterson was called Chaz Owens when we recruited him. Just watching the UNC game our bigs got dominated. I like Brown but he needs help. I feel bad for Red Autry but he needs to overhaul how business has been done in Syracuse basketball. I can’t stand the stuck in the mud status quo we have been doing. This is the greatest class in Syracuse history who are Sophomores I am watching Marquette-Villanova first half and we are playing a completely different game and those aren’t even elite teams. JFC, it’s his first year. Be patient and give him some time to turn over the roster.
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Post by two3zone on Jan 15, 2024 18:52:16 GMT -5
How do we have 4 guys on scholarship. Now one got hurt but they contribute little to nothing. Junior Naheem McCloud- out for the season Junior Mounir Hima isn’t contributing Redshirt Freshman Peter Carey isn’t contributing Freshman William Paterson is redshirting and can’t help. How we always seem to have multiple projects on the roster and.get very little bang for our buck for these players. Freshman year I saw potential in Jesse Edwards I remember saying his freshman he had college Gobert potential. I meant in college and not in the pros obviously. We keep playing players out of position and can’t even function a college roster that has good player development. Patterson was called Chaz Owens when we recruited him. Just watching the UNC game our bigs got dominated. I like Brown but he needs help. I feel bad for Red Autry but he needs to overhaul how business has been done in Syracuse basketball. I can’t stand the stuck in the mud status quo we have been doing. This is the greatest class in Syracuse history who are Sophomores I am watching Marquette-Villanova first half and we are playing a completely different game and those aren’t even elite teams. JFC, it’s his first year. Be patient and give him some time to turn over the roster. Maybe he had no control with Jesse leaving, but we pretty much reran last years trash roster minus two of our three best players.
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Post by day2 on Jan 15, 2024 19:02:55 GMT -5
JFC, it’s his first year. Be patient and give him some time to turn over the roster. Maybe he had no control with Jesse leaving, but we pretty much reran last years trash roster minus two of our three best players. I don’t know what you were expecting. Was Red supposed to clean house? Most fans were excited with the additions of Starling, Cuffe, and McCleod. Red didn’t have control over the Westry injury either.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 15, 2024 19:37:56 GMT -5
McLeod always seemed like a bad deal to me - especially if we were going away from zone. I don't follow the recruiting side as hard though so I don't know what other options existed. If we were zone, I guess he could function like that other super tall fellow.....but he wasn't guarding the corner three!!!!! With Jesse, Brown is sort of the ideal one-two punch that I also ask for. You have a guy that can function at the 4/5 as the back-up and then a solid 5. The trouble is, we don't have a solid 5 now. I didn't even care for Edwards that much tbh. He seemed goofy and too easily taken out of the game - but he was also on a roster of misfit toys the whole time. That being said, with him this year, we are NOTABLY better. IDK. The inability to assemble a roster that makes sense for so long just has me in a constant state of confusion. It'll take time to recover from the Boeheim family experimental basketball farm.
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Post by orangedw on Jan 15, 2024 20:21:27 GMT -5
Maybe he had no control with Jesse leaving, but we pretty much reran last years trash roster minus two of our three best players. I don’t know what you were expecting. Was Red supposed to clean house? Most fans were excited with the additions of Starling, Cuffe, and McCleod. Red didn’t have control over the Westry injury either. Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season.
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Post by day2 on Jan 15, 2024 20:47:21 GMT -5
I don’t know what you were expecting. Was Red supposed to clean house? Most fans were excited with the additions of Starling, Cuffe, and McCleod. Red didn’t have control over the Westry injury either. Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season. Williams was supposed to make the leap, too. On paper, this roster has a lot of four and five-star players, more than we’re used to seeing. Unfortunately, we also have more busts than we’re used to seeing.
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Post by orangedw on Jan 15, 2024 20:56:17 GMT -5
Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season. Williams was supposed to make the leap, too. On paper, this roster has a lot of four and five-star players, more than we’re used to seeing. Unfortunately, we also have more busts than we’re used to seeing. Yeah, I wasn’t real high on Benny making “the leap”….but I still thought he’d be better than this. We badly need Freeman to play to his recruiting ranking. If he does, I think next year’s team is significantly better off that alone. We get ZERO from the PF position in most of these games.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 15, 2024 21:00:39 GMT -5
I don’t know what you were expecting. Was Red supposed to clean house? Most fans were excited with the additions of Starling, Cuffe, and McCleod. Red didn’t have control over the Westry injury either. Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season. Chukwu! Yes. That's the name I was trying to think of. I liked all the other pick ups so I can't complain that much. I suppose I assumed that Taylor could shoot a little bit, not a lot, but a little, but he's really not shown much. Bell I was just HOPING could be more consistent. I'm fine with him staying if he's okay with playing anywhere from 5-35 minutes on any given night. His play should be dictated based on opponent and just how he's doing. He doesn't offer up enough of anything else. The bigs is the one area that always seemed like we were going to have issues. Some of the others I thought we may see enough of a jump that we could overcome. Turns out, we didn't. Benny is Benny. God only knows what he's up to.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 15, 2024 21:02:00 GMT -5
Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season. Williams was supposed to make the leap, too. On paper, this roster has a lot of four and five-star players, more than we’re used to seeing. Unfortunately, we also have more busts than we’re used to seeing. Yeah, on paper I couldn't argue. I was excited going into the season. I figured our bigs would be awful - but just had to sort of hope McLeod/Brown could get it done. As to the rest, I was just hoping for a bit more consistency out of a few guys that have given us none. Those second tier guys look much like they did last year.
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Post by orangedw on Jan 15, 2024 21:06:12 GMT -5
Still think JJ, Westry, and Cuffe were good pickups. We’re moving away from playing 2 guards at a time for 38 mpg and only carrying 3 on the roster. Needed to add a bunch of guards, and I think getting guys with multiple years of eligibility and good upside was a good move. All 3 should be a lot more productive next year IMO. McCleod - not really sure on that one. He seems like a 2-3 zone Chukwu type center to me. I definitely think Hima and Carey should be given the talk. I think in hindsight the biggest mistake was not bringing in a forward, but if Westry is healthy he’s probably heavily in the mix. He was a much bigger recruit than Bell and Taylor and likely a more versatile player(because really….who isn’t?), so I’m sure he was cautiously expected to have a big role by mid season. Chukwu! Yes. That's the name I was trying to think of. I liked all the other pick ups so I can't complain that much. I suppose I assumed that Taylor could shoot a little bit, not a lot, but a little, but he's really not shown much. Bell I was just HOPING could be more consistent. I'm fine with him staying if he's okay with playing anywhere from 5-35 minutes on any given night. His play should be dictated based on opponent and just how he's doing. He doesn't offer up enough of anything else. The bigs is the one area that always seemed like we were going to have issues. Some of the others I thought we may see enough of a jump that we could overcome. Turns out, we didn't. Benny is Benny. God only knows what he's up to. Yeah, I wasn’t sure how Taylor would fit in but I thought he’d at least be a decent shooter this year. He’s been a complete bricklayer. Shot seems to look worse and worse with time. Why does he always look so off balance? So much arm motion to the side.
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Post by alsacs on Jan 15, 2024 21:56:40 GMT -5
I agree that the Westry injury hurt the forward position.
I wish Cuffe got more minutes and we would go 3 guard more.
Starling needs to have his minutes dependent on production.
My point here was the center position shouldn’t have 4 guys and none of them can play at the ACC level. 2 years should be enough for them to be playable. I am not expecting all conference production but these guys don’t even look like ACC level players. Our staff needs to do better. I like Red but the patience of irrelevance just gets tiring.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 15, 2024 22:21:13 GMT -5
I agree that the Westry injury hurt the forward position. I wish Cuffe got more minutes and we would go 3 guard more. Starling needs to have his minutes dependent on production. My point here was the center position shouldn’t have 4 guys and none of them can play at the ACC level. 2 years should be enough for them to be playable. I am not expecting all conference production but these guys don’t even look like ACC level players. Our staff needs to do better. I like Red but the patience of irrelevance just gets tiring. I've been surprised that Cuffe hasn't gotten more minutes. He seems like the type of glue guy that could pay dividends by season's end if he gets enough minutes. He's not a game changer, but I would give him more PT. Or, I should say, I'd like to see more PT so I could assess him better I suppose. Very selfish
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Post by Ghost on Jan 15, 2024 22:22:35 GMT -5
Chukwu! Yes. That's the name I was trying to think of. I liked all the other pick ups so I can't complain that much. I suppose I assumed that Taylor could shoot a little bit, not a lot, but a little, but he's really not shown much. Bell I was just HOPING could be more consistent. I'm fine with him staying if he's okay with playing anywhere from 5-35 minutes on any given night. His play should be dictated based on opponent and just how he's doing. He doesn't offer up enough of anything else. The bigs is the one area that always seemed like we were going to have issues. Some of the others I thought we may see enough of a jump that we could overcome. Turns out, we didn't. Benny is Benny. God only knows what he's up to. Yeah, I wasn’t sure how Taylor would fit in but I thought he’d at least be a decent shooter this year. He’s been a complete bricklayer. Shot seems to look worse and worse with time. Why does he always look so off balance? So much arm motion to the side. I wonder what I'd think of Taylor if he wasn't starting. I just don't see him doing much. His release is just as goofy, maybe moreso than Starling. At least every once in awhile Starling seems like he's got okay form before reverting to some weird release. Taylor just has a very strange release.
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Post by alsacs on Jan 16, 2024 10:54:52 GMT -5
We just don’t get production from too many positions and players.
That is roster management and causes to usage rates for decent players that are over what type of player they should be.
It sucks. I would take a rebuild if we actually were rebuilding but we aren’t rebuilding. Mintz will be gone after the year. The forwards are a mess, the center position is a mess, and we are going all in on Starling who better improve for these minutes we are sacrificing this season.
Again I like Autry but man this program is a mess. 3 straight non NCAA seasons hell we haven’t made the NiT the last 2 years. This program isn’t going to be a national player again for a while. Like top 25 for the entire season for multiple seasons in a row.
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