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Post by downhere67 on Dec 9, 2019 17:16:34 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. Weather, have you been to Spokane? It is beautiful but it is almost impossible to fly into when the snow comes. Other that Florida, Arizona or Calli, weather is always an issue. OSU, remember this is the biggest public University in the states, which means a huge booster group for $$$. Plus, if you ever go to Columbus, it is the definition of a college town. I think our facilities a top of the line, the dome with a new roof is still better than 95% of the stuff out there. Some schools have nice new places like that Fried Chicken Hole down in Kentucky. I think that the answer will always be how much $$$ do we spend. To be honest, JB is a bit of a bargain at what he makes compared to other top 15 programs. We just got that new deal with Nike, so lets use that money. To me is the admin going to let JB play a role in who replaces him. That could be a slippery slope. It is going to be like free agency, sometimes you have to overpay.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Dec 9, 2019 19:11:07 GMT -5
Kinda my point. Would OSU to cuse be an "upgrade" for Holtman?
I truly do not know, and why a coaching search I think will be more interesting than anything as to find out where we truly stand.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 9, 2019 19:46:38 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. Weather, have you been to Spokane? It is beautiful but it is almost impossible to fly into when the snow comes. Other that Florida, Arizona or Calli, weather is always an issue. OSU, remember this is the biggest public University in the states, which means a huge booster group for $$$. Plus, if you ever go to Columbus, it is the definition of a college town. I think our facilities a top of the line, the dome with a new roof is still better than 95% of the stuff out there. Some schools have nice new places like that Fried Chicken Hole down in Kentucky. I think that the answer will always be how much $$$ do we spend. To be honest, JB is a bit of a bargain at what he makes compared to other top 15 programs. We just got that new deal with Nike, so lets use that money. To me is the admin going to let JB play a role in who replaces him. That could be a slippery slope. It is going to be like free agency, sometimes you have to overpay. Yeah I agree with this. We’ll never match OSU’s resources and budget. One minor disagreement. I live in Cleveland and am in CBus often. OSU is obviously the major player in town sports-wise. But it’s far from a college town these days. It’s more like booming Charlotte, Austin, etc. Bigger than CLE or CINCY. It’s a huge tech and hospital city. Boulder, Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Eugene, Athens, etc. Those are the classic college towns.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Dec 11, 2019 8:19:02 GMT -5
Just throwing out some names... Mike Hopkins- unlikely but top choice. Nate Oats-Bama 44 - we watched his success at Buffalo Eric Musselman, Nevada -53 with NBA coaching experience Matt McMahon, Murray State 41, 2 straight tournament appearances and scouted/recruited Ja Morant. John Becker, Vermont, -51 has 3 tourney appearances and has won at least 20 games every season. Mike Rhoades, VCU, 47, lots of VCU coaches got big jobs (albeit some sketchy ones)... Jeff Capel (Oklahoma), Anthony Grant (Alabama), Shaka Smart (Texas) and Will Wade (LSU).. Rhoades won 25 games last season, and made the tournament. Jamion Christian, George Washington (formerly Mount St. Mary’s) 39- plays a great appealing style of ball, a Shaka Smart disciple. Baker Dunleavy, Quinnipiac, 37 -He’s got the bloodlines, and he also learned from Jay Wright at Villanova Who you guys got? Tommy Amaker at Harvard is another option but he’s 54. Interesting list of candidates. I like Musselman but I’d prefer to go younger. Rhoades or McMahon are interesting guys.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Dec 11, 2019 9:19:23 GMT -5
Sure they are good coaches, and just because they are from VCU and Murray State does not mean they cant be great. But just as we stand today, if we end up with someone from a non P5 or traditional power it will be a disappointment.
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Post by deano on Dec 11, 2019 10:56:27 GMT -5
Give me the Texas Tech coach. Look what's he's done in the last few years with not a lot top recruits and developed these kids. Last year made it to the Finals in NCAA Tourney and think year before Elite 8.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 11, 2019 11:36:40 GMT -5
Give me the Texas Tech coach. Look what's he's done in the last few years with not a lot top recruits and developed these kids. Last year made it to the Finals in NCAA Tourney and think year before Elite 8. He’s terrific. No problem with that guy.
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Post by downhere67 on Dec 11, 2019 12:56:40 GMT -5
Give me the Texas Tech coach. Look what's he's done in the last few years with not a lot top recruits and developed these kids. Last year made it to the Finals in NCAA Tourney and think year before Elite 8. He’s terrific. No problem with that guy. I agree, but I want to start getting top recruits. If SU became a one and done shop like some others I would not have an issue with that.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Dec 11, 2019 13:08:24 GMT -5
The only true on and done shops, that turn over multiple roster spots a year are UK/Duke
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 11, 2019 13:20:04 GMT -5
He’s terrific. No problem with that guy. I agree, but I want to start getting top recruits. If SU became a one and done shop like some others I would not have an issue with that. He’s getting them. He gets tough guys too and the kind of bigs (PF/C types) we need. The 6’9-6’10 guys who are 230-250. He would be a perfect culture change. I was watching the game from the ‘above the court’ feed. You were getting better views of the benches and more sounds from the court and game. No commentators. Really like the discipline and attentiveness in their huddles and I could see/hear Baird yelling “Move it, move it...” so that the ball wasn’t sticking. Their screening is solid too. We would be fine in recruiting with him. Ramsey and Shannon looked good last night. Two top 100 frosh. Looked like they belonged. One top 30 and one back end top 100 who looked better than the other guy. They have a 5* Top 25 guard coming in 2020 from Cali and another 4* Top 40 guy. We would not have to worry about recruiting.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 11, 2019 13:33:23 GMT -5
Sure they are good coaches, and just because they are from VCU and Murray State does not mean they cant be great. But just as we stand today, if we end up with someone from a non P5 or traditional power it will be a disappointment. Nearly all elite P5 coaches started outside of the P5. Just because the guys I suggested are from VCU and Murray State, as you’ve said, doesn’t mean a thing. Look at the Babers hire. We had a disappointing football season, but most agree he was a good hire with the right mindset and personality to recruit. I believe that we need to be looking for JB’s replacement outside of our current system. No Red, no Griff, and definitely no Gmac. Some of the guys on that list are worthy candidates, and if not at Syracuse they’ll get a big time job elsewhere.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Dec 11, 2019 13:50:02 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with you. What I am saying is that "a top 15-20" job I would think can swing bigger than the head mans at VCU and Murray State. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule. I am just mentioning this more along the lines of what caliber job is SU oppose to who is a good replacement.
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Post by deano on Dec 11, 2019 14:30:22 GMT -5
He’s terrific. No problem with that guy. I agree, but I want to start getting top recruits. If SU became a one and done shop like some others I would not have an issue with that. I hate the one and done crap. Hopefully in a few years they let these kids come out of HS and go to the league and if they do go to college they have to go for a minimum of 2 years. It will make college and NBA better plus in regards to college it makes it easier on a coaching staff knowing someones going to be there for that amount of time so they can recruit that position when needed. That has hurt SU with Ennis and Mali as no one thought they would one and done.
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Post by larrycusefan on Dec 11, 2019 15:35:55 GMT -5
Still want the Hop man back. Like some of you dudz has been saying, kilz at Washington and would be killing itz here at SU. Get him back!
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Post by deano on Jan 9, 2020 10:09:12 GMT -5
Dang, this ain't good. Still would take him at SU.
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