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Post by deano on Dec 6, 2019 23:01:29 GMT -5
Just saw where the Cavs players aren't happy with him. I hope this continues, JB steps down and he could be our next coach. He did great things at WVU and especially at UM.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 7, 2019 2:11:04 GMT -5
Oh no question sign him up. People forget that he was losing talent every year prematurely to the NBA but they never missed a beat. Excellent player development at Michigan as well.
I wonder if he’s running too tight a ship for the NBA guys? Too much detail? I don’t know.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 7, 2019 11:13:43 GMT -5
I’d like him a lot, but he’s 66. I’d rather find a younger guy. Oh wait, we had Hopkins. Shit we screwed that up.
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Post by rustyorange on Dec 7, 2019 17:37:11 GMT -5
I think he’s too old. We’d be right back in the same situation we’re in now in only a few years, having to replace him.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Dec 8, 2019 18:14:43 GMT -5
If he was 10 years younger I’d take him. If we hired him, we’d be looking at the same situation in only a few short years. Gotta get a younger guy.
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Post by downhere67 on Dec 8, 2019 21:05:18 GMT -5
Just watched the Gonzaga Washington game. How Few's team move the ball is amazing to watch. He is like 55 or something like that, for some that might be a disqualifying fact. I agree Beilein is like in his late 60's. I would take Hop back, everyone says he would not come, you don't know until you ask.
Regardless Kenny has to be thinking what he is going to sooner rather that later with JB.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 9, 2019 8:17:05 GMT -5
Just watched the Gonzaga Washington game. How Few's team move the ball is amazing to watch. He is like 55 or something like that, for some that might be a disqualifying fact. I agree Beilein is like in his late 60's. I would take Hop back, everyone says he would not come, you don't know until you ask. Regardless Kenny has to be thinking what he is going to sooner rather that later with JB. I would take Hop or Mark Few. Both would be tremendous hires. That said, I can’t see either leaving unless we showered them with $$$ they could not refuse.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 9, 2019 13:32:06 GMT -5
Few is excellent. Would be a fantastic hire.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Dec 9, 2019 14:00:28 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU?
We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling.
Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 9, 2019 15:05:30 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. To answer your question, yes, I think Syracuse is a good job. It’s a P5 conference, in NY state, an area that is loaded with talent to recruit from. The Dome, especially once the renovations are completed, is a selling point, as is the Melo Center, and the rich tradition and huge fan base. The hard question is who do you hire? I understand the JB defenders to a certain extent. We will be hard pressed to find someone who’ll be as successful as JB. But a distinction has to be made... when SU looks to hire a new coach they’ll be replacing an old coach who is struggling to recruit now. That’s not the same thing as looking to replace a 60 year old JB. So, whether it’s soon or in five years, JB will need a successor. There will likely be some growing pains with a new coach. But, money, if SU will fork it out, can definitely attract a good coach from a lesser conference. I still think we screwed up letting Hopkins go, but it is what it is now. I’m not sure who I would reach out to. Oats at Bama, is one. I’d have to give it some thought regarding other candidates. But we can absolutely find a quality coach.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 9, 2019 15:40:46 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. I think top 15-20 is reasonable and fair. Some rubes on the other board think it is a top 5-10 job. We have been so relatively comfortable and predictable for so long that I think it has clouded some of the judgements from the fanboard masses in terms of opportunities for potential greatness again. All we have seen is 2-3 Zone. Same coach. Skinny guys. It’s just an opinion but I believe the great recruits WILL come to play for a new coach in a renovated Dome, in a complete system overhaul. I mean, we are already near the bottom of the ACC now in recruiting. It can’t get much worse! The play on the court has been reflecting that and the quality of the product has been mostly awful to watch the past five years or so. I think kids came to play for Hop more than JB. For most of this past decade, from reliable sources, Hop was basically running the program from a day-to day standpoint while Jim was calling the shots Gameday. Other old timers are more father figures and more involved in the kids’ lives. Guys like Roy Williams who are more hands on teachers. I don’t think Boeheim’s way is necessarily wrong (especially the not getting involved in their personal lives/father figure) but I think that style of personality as an old timer compared to Roy or K comes across less favorably. The renovated Dome I hope will be enough to make a true difference. I know there are different phases of this down the road. Make the gameday experience better, get the pregame vibe juiced up with better starting intros and such. It’s SO stale and the technology is way behind with the lighting, PA system, amenities, etc. It’s a morgue in there with 17-20K and the 30K games are outliers. Usually just Duke. The school and Wildhack should have money. Great conference. We’re still a brand at least to ESPN. I truly worry about fans though under 30 or 40. They have seem horrendous basketball for most of this past decade with a couple of fluke NCAA games sprinkled in. It’s going to continue with a couple of offensive outbursts and positive games like against Georgia Tech thrown in which was a perfect storm in our favor. When the season is over I have a feeling that will just be an outlier/aberration. I guess Wildhack is the wildcard. Is he going to handcuff himself by emotion and want to keep things the Orange way by promoting Red or something? Does Hop get a call? I think he does but he’s not leaving Seattle with how beautiful and awesome that area is (was just there and on campus too) combined with his family situation. Will Wildhack do a national search? Get the best guy? Location I think we are fine. Lawrence, KS can’t be that great and they have bad weather, too. Plenty of ballers to pick from in a 5 hour radius but I want to be a national recruiting power. There are studs coming out Dallas and Houston for instance in droves. Indy area. Get back into Detroit. I think with the Dome renovation, ACC affiliation, and a brand somewhat still relevant (but on thin ice), the program is in a position to be in great shape almost instantaneously with the right coach. Everything is right here! We just need to be open to change.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 9, 2019 15:45:32 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. Holtman is killing it. I think he has four Top 100 guys with two of them Top 30 coming in next season to a school where basketball is second fiddle. Impressive.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 9, 2019 15:48:10 GMT -5
Just throwing out some names...
Mike Hopkins- unlikely but top choice.
Nate Oats-Bama 44 - we watched his success at Buffalo
Eric Musselman, Nevada -53 with NBA coaching experience
Matt McMahon, Murray State 41, 2 straight tournament appearances and scouted/recruited Ja Morant.
John Becker, Vermont, -51 has 3 tourney appearances and has won at least 20 games every season.
Mike Rhoades, VCU, 47, lots of VCU coaches got big jobs (albeit some sketchy ones)... Jeff Capel (Oklahoma), Anthony Grant (Alabama), Shaka Smart (Texas) and Will Wade (LSU).. Rhoades won 25 games last season, and made the tournament.
Jamion Christian, George Washington (formerly Mount St. Mary’s) 39- plays a great appealing style of ball, a Shaka Smart disciple.
Baker Dunleavy, Quinnipiac, 37 -He’s got the bloodlines, and he also learned from Jay Wright at Villanova
Who you guys got? Tommy Amaker at Harvard is another option but he’s 54.
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Post by JazzNC on Dec 9, 2019 16:00:05 GMT -5
My biggest question/curiosity about who will be the next coach, whenever it happens has always been: How good of a job is SU? We've obviously not been through this in terms of a "modern day coaching search". Can we land a big fish who would leave a good situation like Few? A strong up and comer they way OSU was able to get Chris Holtman. Or is it fingers crossed for Hop and if not we are left scrambling. Geography in terms of weather/recruiting for sure is not on our side. Facilities are a plus (Melo center and 30k people in the dome), but seems every school is constantly upgrading practice facility etc. $$$ resources, but not like a lot of the bigger state schools. To us its probably a top 15-20 job. Just wonder if other people feel the same. Holtman is killing it. I think he has four Top 100 guys with two of them Top 30 coming in next season to a school where basketball is second fiddle. Impressive. I don’t know if you’re throwing out the Holtman name as an example of a terrific hire, or an actual candidate. I think he’d be pretty hard to pry away from Ohio St.
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Post by sobecuse on Dec 9, 2019 17:02:18 GMT -5
Holtman is killing it. I think he has four Top 100 guys with two of them Top 30 coming in next season to a school where basketball is second fiddle. Impressive. I don’t know if you’re throwing out the Holtman name as an example of a terrific hire, or an actual candidate. I think he’d be pretty hard to pry away from Ohio St. No just impressed with what he is doing.
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