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Post by sobecuse on Apr 16, 2020 16:27:26 GMT -5
My Hot Take is that JB is only a good in-game coach for 2/3rds of the game. The first third it too often seems like we hadn't prepared for the opponent. So that any adjustments he makes 'in-game' seem just that much more significant. Playing zone seems to make it reasonable that we let stuff happen to us and then decide who's hot and who's going to torch us. And sometimes that's either too late or just not enough. We won a lot of games over the course of 'history' because we had a conference recruiting advantage. Essentially, it was us, UConn, or Georgetown with the best players, and so we won a lot of games because we should have. Now that we don't have that advantage, we're not winning so many games. Adjustments make a coach look smart. Preparation is invisible. Yeah I’m buying a lot of this. Too often we come out pretty lethargic. It’s rare that we jump on a team. I think sitting back in the Zone lets inferior teams dictate pace while on offense we rarely attack. Rarely play downhill. Again, a lot of this stems from recruiting, poor lead guard play and speed from the position, etc. Not trying to rip Girard either. He acquitted himself well bailing out the staff with the Carey debacle. Still, he’s better served probably off the ball 25 mpg or something like that, IMO. JB has publicly stated in the past that he’s not a big tape/scouting guy so this all doesn’t surprise me when we often start poorly. Adjustments are made in game. Lately, it’s just not enough.
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Post by walsh on Apr 18, 2020 23:53:44 GMT -5
I agree that fans should be vocal with their criticisms of the program, but there comes a point where getting mad over the same issues again and again isn’t constructive. I think Boeheim is smarter than his critics think and believe he has an ace up his sleeve.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 19, 2020 3:31:23 GMT -5
I agree that fans should be vocal with their criticisms of the program, but there comes a point where getting mad over the same issues again and again isn’t constructive. I think Boeheim is smarter than his critics think and believe he has an ace up his sleeve. No one would be happier if JB has an ace up his sleeve and can find a way to go out on top (or close to it). So I hope you’re right!!!
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Post by deano on Apr 19, 2020 7:26:17 GMT -5
I agree that fans should be vocal with their criticisms of the program, but there comes a point where getting mad over the same issues again and again isn’t constructive. I think Boeheim is smarter than his critics think and believe he has an ace up his sleeve. I dunno about that. He has yet to land studs like he did in the past, although a lot of that was due to having Hop. GMac is an average lead recruiter at best and still don't get why Red isn't the lead recruiter.
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Post by Lucas Lee on May 19, 2020 6:25:18 GMT -5
I tend to be more pro JB on this board than most, and even I have issues with that article. I think there are two ways to view it, process and results. The 2016 or 2018 seasons are perfect examples. Results show a final 4 and a sweet 16. Teams that were out talented and didn't have the physical horses to win a title or even be lock NCAA teams, but got hot at the right time and have a Hall of fame coach who can out coach (my opinion) most opponents he is going to see in a win or go home format. On the contrary you have many of the seasons from the late 2000s to early 2010s. Process was there in terms of nationally ranked teams, talent all over the floor, top 4 seeds, and teams that can cut down the net. However the result in final 4's or titles is not what we want (only 1) in that time. I understand the premise of the article, but where he is flawed is that if you are a constantly an 8 seed or worse those runs are aberrations and even when they come you really do not even have a chance to win a title. If we have more seasons like 2015-2020 the chances we make another deep run are SLIM, and when the results are no longer there articles like that have no standing because you are referencing NCAA runs from 10 another decade. I firmly believe JB can still coach an elite team, but he needs to improve the talent level he brings in order to do so. Yeah, this is a pretty reasonable take. The author does some window dressing early on to acknowledge the program's problems, and I'll give him some credit for that. However, there is a weird mix between recent data, and historical data, to present the program in a way that deflects criticism. Which is quite dismissive of recent results, and provides little analysis of where we are, and seem to be heading. Well, other than utilizing the oft repeated mantra of sanctions. Like you, I think JB can definitely still get the job done, but on some level, the team lacks in recruiting, and a really a cohesive plan of "who" we want to be on the court. Nothing quite fits - it's like a half-assed rebuild, which will likely yield half-ass results. There is always the chance of a nice run, if everything clicks just right, but the margin for error is essentially non-existent now.
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