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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 20:46:42 GMT -5
Look at who UVA loses over the last two years, and still they continue to blow us out: Kyle Guy, Ty Jerome, De'Andre Hunter. They retool, and we can't retool. We have games like our win over Va Tech Saturday that give us a flicker of hope, but they end up being just that, a false sense of hope. Because once we face a decent team with good coaching and decent recruiting, we're cast back down to the basement and reminded that were a shell of the program we once were.
Tonight's game really makes me wonder how I get pumped up for Syracuse games anymore. I got teased by our performance Saturday and was excited to see us possibly knock off another ranked team. Pshhh yea right. This and the fact that UConn is beating us in recruiting now lol. Good times boys!
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Post by mikedamone on Jan 25, 2021 20:52:46 GMT -5
I got sucked in after VT as well after not watching the last 3 games. I'm done for a while. If we win, I'll watch the condensed version but I can't watch 40 minutes of Marek at center and 38 minutes of bricks and turnovers from Duddy
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 25, 2021 22:05:50 GMT -5
Really embarrassing. I(we) know that Edwards and JBA stink but at least let them go out there and hammer Huff. Use up the fouls! One could tell close to H we weren’t going to win. Just a matter if it would be a rout or not. Instead we make them look like they have Olajuwon/Drexler out there lol.
Guard speed is bad. Kadary, I’m sorry is a plodder for a PG. He’s a game manager type who could be good but he needs dynamic teammates out there. We don’t have much of that. Buddy was a disaster and the Coach is allowing it and a real mess on the horizon with no SGs coming in to potentially limit his minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 23:16:53 GMT -5
Really embarrassing. I(we) know that Edwards and JBA stink but at least let them go out there and hammer Huff. Use up the fouls! One could tell close to H we weren’t going to win. Just a matter if it would be a rout or not. Instead we make them look like they have Olajuwon/Drexler out there lol. Guard speed is bad. Kadary, I’m sorry is a plodder for a PG. He’s a game manager type who could be good but he needs dynamic teammates out there. We don’t have much of that. Buddy was a disaster and the Coach is allowing it and a real mess on the horizon with no SGs coming in to potentially limit his minutes. I like Kadary. I think his limitations at this point are largely a result of minimized playing time by a coach who doesn't understand how to sub properly. As a result he is not progressing like he should. What irritated me a lot tonight was that UVA guards on defense pressured our guards out and prevented us from getting into any offensive flow. Guards should be able to exploit that and get into the lane. Nothing happens. Ball movement is sporadic and usually hits a dead end and leads to a forced shot anyways. Our only guard who can get around that kind of pressure or has any sort of speed is Kadary, but he barely plays. Buddy, Joe and Griffin can't get around anybody, no speed. We're so screwed.
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 25, 2021 23:47:15 GMT -5
Really embarrassing. I(we) know that Edwards and JBA stink but at least let them go out there and hammer Huff. Use up the fouls! One could tell close to H we weren’t going to win. Just a matter if it would be a rout or not. Instead we make them look like they have Olajuwon/Drexler out there lol. Guard speed is bad. Kadary, I’m sorry is a plodder for a PG. He’s a game manager type who could be good but he needs dynamic teammates out there. We don’t have much of that. Buddy was a disaster and the Coach is allowing it and a real mess on the horizon with no SGs coming in to potentially limit his minutes. I like Kadary. I think his limitations at this point are largely a result of minimized playing time by a coach who doesn't understand how to sub properly. As a result he is not progressing like he should. What irritated me a lot tonight was that UVA guards on defense pressured our guards out and prevented us from getting into any offensive flow. Guards should be able to exploit that and get into the lane. Nothing happens. Ball movement is sporadic and usually hits a dead end and leads to a forced shot anyways. Our only guard who can get around that kind of pressure or has any sort of speed is Kadary, but he barely plays. Buddy, Joe and Griffin can't get around anybody, no speed. We're so screwed. Good points but I just think Kadary’s speed is overrated. The bar has just been set so low. Between Jalen Carey simply not being able to bring the ball up the floor and previously Frank Howard’s slow pace. Howard Washington was a low D1 player. Now we have two SLOWER guys in Joe/Buddy. Kadary is also struggling to get by guys in certain games and he’s turning it over, getting stripped, etc. He has the best feel for the position and has upside for sure but he’s not going to fix a ton. Your last paragraph is spot on. Well, you know how the sayings go from the legend...”We got good looks” or “We gotta make shots.” Unreal lol.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Jan 26, 2021 10:05:35 GMT -5
I am probably one of the bigger if not biggest Boeheim defenders on this board. Partly because A) I think he can still coach (recruiting is the problem and YES that does fall on the HC) and B) I am not sure the grass is always greener. (Look at UCLA post Howland, IU post Knight, UK before they got Cal). I also think Buddy is and can be a solid ACC player who very well does deserve a longer string than Joe G. With that being said, last night felt like one of the first times of just blatant nepotism.
Regardless of your views on Kadary, he should be getting the lion share of the minutes at guard vs teams we will struggle with specifically on Offense. If the offense wont produce regardless of who is in, at least stay in the game on the other side of the ball. Kadary needs to be the starting 1 next year but for the rest of this year if JB wont start him his "rotation" should be pretty simple. See who has something going in Joe or Buddy and within 5 minutes Kadary replaces the other. Then you can flip joe and buddy the rest of the game maybe with some spells for Kadary. But last night Buddy offered NOTHING. Not only was the 3 not there, he was a turnover machine, and killed us on D. The fact that he played 38 minutes last night was embarrassing.
In regards to the bigs down low, I too would like to see edwards in a tad more but think it should be match up based and do not think it needs to be incessant. Use his body and use his 5 fouls. Vs V Tech he is not needed, vs UNC and UVA with guys like Bacot and Jay Huff it is.
Since the Ennis shot and sanctions we have clearly been down. I do feel our talent is trending slightly up or at least more ACC ready. Next year I think is my final straw for JB. Between Benny, Woody, AG, or Q assuming one of them stays. Kadary at the guard. Frank or Jesse at C or Ideally a transfer. That team should be able to more physically compete. If we can show that next year and keep some momentum on the recruiting trail for 2022 I'd say were on the up, if not then it is probably time to go and right in time for Buddy's senior year....
Lots of words, hope any of that even made sense!
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Post by mikedamone on Jan 26, 2021 10:26:51 GMT -5
Agree cusefan2016 on Kadary getting the lion share of minutes. He should get 35 minutes. The remaining 45 guard minutes can be split between Buddy and Girard based on who is "hot". 30 for whoever is "hot" 15 for who is not. If they are both stinking up the joint which happens frequently, go with Griffin at 2 which allows for Bras or Woody to also get minutes at the 3.
/Will never happen with JB at the helm
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 26, 2021 11:38:49 GMT -5
I am probably one of the bigger if not biggest Boeheim defenders on this board. Partly because A) I think he can still coach (recruiting is the problem and YES that does fall on the HC) and B) I am not sure the grass is always greener. (Look at UCLA post Howland, IU post Knight, UK before they got Cal). I also think Buddy is and can be a solid ACC player who very well does deserve a longer string than Joe G. With that being said, last night felt like one of the first times of just blatant nepotism. Regardless of your views on Kadary, he should be getting the lion share of the minutes at guard vs teams we will struggle with specifically on Offense. If the offense wont produce regardless of who is in, at least stay in the game on the other side of the ball. Kadary needs to be the starting 1 next year but for the rest of this year if JB wont start him his "rotation" should be pretty simple. See who has something going in Joe or Buddy and within 5 minutes Kadary replaces the other. Then you can flip joe and buddy the rest of the game maybe with some spells for Kadary. But last night Buddy offered NOTHING. Not only was the 3 not there, he was a turnover machine, and killed us on D. The fact that he played 38 minutes last night was embarrassing. In regards to the bigs down low, I too would like to see edwards in a tad more but think it should be match up based and do not think it needs to be incessant. Use his body and use his 5 fouls. Vs V Tech he is not needed, vs UNC and UVA with guys like Bacot and Jay Huff it is. Since the Ennis shot and sanctions we have clearly been down. I do feel our talent is trending slightly up or at least more ACC ready. Next year I think is my final straw for JB. Between Benny, Woody, AG, or Q assuming one of them stays. Kadary at the guard. Frank or Jesse at C or Ideally a transfer. That team should be able to more physically compete. If we can show that next year and keep some momentum on the recruiting trail for 2022 I'd say were on the up, if not then it is probably time to go and right in time for Buddy's senior year.... Lots of words, hope any of that even made sense! I like Kadary too and have no issues with letting him run point. I just don’t think he’s this magical solution. If he had more dynamic speed and could be a bit of a one man wrecking crew sort of like a Colin Sexton back at Alabama then maybe sure, but he’s not that. He’d be a fine game manager with better players around him than we have. However, at this point, let him try. Can’t get much worse. The potential nepotism is a problem. I have heard from a good source that Boeheim told the assistants to stop recruiting high profile pure SGs when it was known that Buddy was going to be a high major D1 player and eventually commit to SU. That’s a problem. His JOB is to bring in as much talent as possible and let it sort itself out. We don’t have any offers/commitments from future SGs. Unreal. I think on better SU teams and on any current say Michigan/Gonzaga/Baylor/Texas Tech/Texas/Kansas/MSU squad, BB/JG would see 15-20 mpg as designated snipers off the bench. Fine. Teams with athletes, skill, and complementary pieces allow for the token white slow kid to be able to knock down unmolested shots. Instead, JB is deploying Buddy like Kobe Bryant out there. He’s not effective against any sort of good defender or scheme with athletes and size. To make matters worse the screening and concepts are awful. Marek’s screens are useless. That’s a whole different problem. We actually were not that good of a shooting team last year with supposedly a bunch of ‘shooters.’ 33% as a team from 3. 202nd in country. It’s worse this year. Mid major teams are able to draw up better shots and looks. JB desperately needs an offensive coordinator if this is to continue since recruiting isn’t really picking up too much. So what if Benny Williams is committed. Not many forwards produce here from day 1 and we will likely have the same guards and no capable C. This program desperately needs a makeover. Fresh set of eyes, perspective, change of schemes, etc. Change can be good. At least get the personnel and quality of play better. If we stay mediocre then so be it I guess. I just want to be competitive though against good teams and actually look like we belong. Have some physicality and speed out there. Not just pray we squeak into the Tournament and upset somebody because our junky 2-3 Zone catches an unfamiliar team by surprise while the offense “makes some shots.” This also deflects from the big picture in terms of falsely thinking the program is in good shape. It’s not.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Jan 26, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -5
I totally agree that being mediocre and a bubble team is not what we want and change can totally be good. Cinderella runs are fun, but being a top 15 team all year and being highly seeded every year in the NCAA with a legit chance to win it is more fun.
My general assessment is to why I would give JB next year to see if we can be back to being a true top 25 team with a strong incoming class is because I do believe the root of the problem is our talent base and not having high end ACC bodies/Athletes. (yes that falls on the HC) I think next year depending on who stays and potential transfers I think we have the chance have the most of that we have in some time.
I do disagree on the so what if Benny Williams is coming. We talk at nauseum about how we have a talent deficiency. Bringing in bonafide top 30 players helps get back to where we want to be, regardless of position.
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 26, 2021 12:42:33 GMT -5
I totally agree that being mediocre and a bubble team is not what we want and change can totally be good. Cinderella runs are fun, but being a top 15 team all year and being highly seeded every year in the NCAA with a legit chance to win it is more fun. My general assessment is to why I would give JB next year to see if we can be back to being a true top 25 team with a strong incoming class is because I do believe the root of the problem is our talent base and not having high end ACC bodies/Athletes. (yes that falls on the HC) I think next year depending on who stays and potential transfers I think we have the chance have the most of that we have in some time. I do disagree on the so what if Benny Williams is coming. We talk at nauseum about how we have a talent deficiency. Bringing in bonafide top 30 players helps get back to where we want to be, regardless of position. Then we better hope and pray Benny can be a do it all type phenom or a Ben Simmons type Point-F. As I mentioned we will have the same guards (not dynamic enough) and probably no C. I’ve seen enough of the schemes (or lack thereof) and the countless possessions of bad looks leading to where we are and have been for a few years now of supposedly a roster full of shooters. That was 202nd in the country last year from 3 and 259 in the country this year (31.4%). He needs ISO talents. We don’t have them.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Jan 26, 2021 12:45:39 GMT -5
I suppose thats where we agree to disagree on Kadary. I think he is capable of being impactful starting for us at the 1 next year and makes Joe and Buddy that much better because they focus solely on hunting their shot.
And even with maybe some of his occasional offensive struggles, he should be (already is) a monster at the top of the zone.
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 26, 2021 13:16:09 GMT -5
I suppose thats where we agree to disagree on Kadary. I think he is capable of being impactful starting for us at the 1 next year and makes Joe and Buddy that much better because they focus solely on hunting their shot. And even with maybe some of his occasional offensive struggles, he should be (already is) a monster at the top of the zone. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think Kadary is dynamic enough and doesn’t have good enough teammates. It’s not like he is Ennis playing with Rak, Cooney, Grant, etc. Also, he was burned yesterday the few minutes he played. Gave up dribble penetration a few times, lost a shooter, etc. He blocked a 3 on a silly UVA attempt right in front of him. I think he has potential to be very good at the top of the Zone but a “monster” now? No. Come on. I don’t think we are suddenly a Tourney team with Kadary running PG but, like I said, I don’t have a problem at all handing it over to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:01:34 GMT -5
I honestly think Kadary is really good. Some players who are very talented (like him) require bright lights game-time exposure longer than others to realize their potential. We've seen flashes from him, and said flashes would be on the regular if he didn't have a coach committed to nepotism and blind loyalty to other players. I can't believe some ppl rib on Kadary for some of the mistakes he's made- it's due to the raw freshman jitters that's prolonged by this amazing HOF coach who has no idea how to develop players through game-exposure. Kadary is a true punt guard. I think he holds back because he's scared of the HOF'er.
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Post by sobecuse on Jan 26, 2021 20:21:39 GMT -5
I honestly think Kadary is really good. Some players who are very talented (like him) require bright lights game-time exposure longer than others to realize their potential. We've seen flashes from him, and said flashes would be on the regular if he didn't have a coach committed to nepotism and blind loyalty to other players. I can't believe some ppl rib on Kadary for some of the mistakes he's made- it's due to the raw freshman jitters that's prolonged by this amazing HOF coach who has no idea how to develop players through game-exposure. Kadary is a true punt guard. I think he holds back because he's scared of the HOF'er. Fully aware he is a true PG and not ripping him. I do like him. Like I said we have slow guards and not an overly athletic team. I just think Kadary isn’t a dynamic enough player to truly change much for this cast of characters. He’s not getting into the paint at will and has been dribbling side to side in a few of these recent games. Again, a very good potential game manager PG. Fine. But this team needs speed and more explosive perimeter players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 22:06:31 GMT -5
I honestly think Kadary is really good. Some players who are very talented (like him) require bright lights game-time exposure longer than others to realize their potential. We've seen flashes from him, and said flashes would be on the regular if he didn't have a coach committed to nepotism and blind loyalty to other players. I can't believe some ppl rib on Kadary for some of the mistakes he's made- it's due to the raw freshman jitters that's prolonged by this amazing HOF coach who has no idea how to develop players through game-exposure. Kadary is a true punt guard. I think he holds back because he's scared of the HOF'er. Fully aware he is a true PG and not ripping him. I do like him. Like I said we have slow guards and not an overly athletic team. I just think Kadary isn’t a dynamic enough player to truly change much for this cast of characters. He’s not getting into the paint at will and has been dribbling side to side in a few of these recent games. Again, a very good potential game manager PG. Fine. But this team needs speed and more explosive perimeter players. Agreed on the point that he isn't good enough yet to turn things around for this team. There are too many broken parts that need replacing. I don't think that he has a good enough feel for the game yet to make a big impact, but I definitely think it's in him. Had he been playing regularly since day 1 I think Kadary would be an impact player by now. On a different note, I read that Buddy is hitting 27% from three! I don't understand how these guys can shoot so poorly from downtown. I've seen dudes shoot better than them from three at the Y! Every game it just boggles my mind.
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