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Post by JazzNC on Feb 6, 2021 15:51:07 GMT -5
70-45??? The JB press conference ought to be interesting...
We missed our shots. Clemson is a really good team. Sidibe just isn’t ready. Excuse Excuse Excuse
I hope a reporter grows a set of balls and asks him to retire.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 6, 2021 16:03:57 GMT -5
Garbage performance from a soft as shit team with two unathletic slow guards and no center. Clemson could’ve beaten us by 50 if they kept playing hard.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 8, 2021 9:43:03 GMT -5
The game was simple I thought.
Men vs boys. From position 1-5. And Because of the JG and Buddy nonsense, even our guys who are ACC athletes or players play out of of position and do not have a prayer.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 8, 2021 13:30:55 GMT -5
The game was simple I thought. Men vs boys. From position 1-5. And Because of the JG and Buddy nonsense, even our guys who are ACC athletes or players play out of of position and do not have a prayer. Looks like you are seeing the light. And without an interior presence it isn’t changing this year or next. As good as Benny might be he can’t play center. And apparently the four that are taking up scholarship space on our roster can’t either. Smh
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 8, 2021 14:13:12 GMT -5
I have always maintained my position and I still do.
JB can coach basketball. I would much rather have JB then Brad Brownell or most of the other ACC coaches. But I think he has handled the Buddy situation very poorly and ultimately it comes down to talent and athletes. We have been short on both. And like I always have said, that falls on him. And if that does not get fixed within the next years and the results back it up with '21 and '22 classes then it is time for a change.
But as of now, If the choice was between JB and having someone like Hop back on the bench to help get talent, or a different coach (either in house or outside) I would choose the former.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 8, 2021 16:03:00 GMT -5
I have always maintained my position and I still do. JB can coach basketball. I would much rather have JB then Brad Brownell or most of the other ACC coaches. But I think he has handled the Buddy situation very poorly and ultimately it comes down to talent and athletes. We have been short on both. And like I always have said, that falls on him. And if that does not get fixed within the next years and the results back it up with '21 and '22 classes then it is time for a change. But as of now, If the choice was between JB and having someone like Hop back on the bench to help get talent, or a different coach (either in house or outside) I would choose the former. If JB was 60 I would agree with you, but he’s pushing 80. He’s not going to evolve. He’s not going to improve. He cannot recruit in today’s game with his style, and age. And it’s quite evident that he lacks objectivity about his son. That said, moving on from JB is inevitable. He can’t coach forever. And you’re right, moving on won’t be easy. But if we had done so 3 years ago we’d be further along in the process and growing pains. Maybe we’d be close to contending again with the right hire? I would have preferred this over the continued mediocrity knowing we still have to go through the process/pains of moving on.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 8, 2021 22:13:25 GMT -5
I have always maintained my position and I still do. JB can coach basketball. I would much rather have JB then Brad Brownell or most of the other ACC coaches. But I think he has handled the Buddy situation very poorly and ultimately it comes down to talent and athletes. We have been short on both. And like I always have said, that falls on him. And if that does not get fixed within the next years and the results back it up with '21 and '22 classes then it is time for a change. But as of now, If the choice was between JB and having someone like Hop back on the bench to help get talent, or a different coach (either in house or outside) I would choose the former. If JB was 60 I would agree with you, but he’s pushing 80. He’s not going to evolve. He’s not going to improve. He cannot recruit in today’s game with his style, and age. And it’s quite evident that he lacks objectivity about his son. That said, moving on from JB is inevitable. He can’t coach forever. And you’re right, moving on won’t be easy. But if we had done so 3 years ago we’d be further along in the process and growing pains. Maybe we’d be close to contending again with the right hire? I would have preferred this over the continued mediocrity knowing we still have to go through the process/pains of moving on. We can’t be afraid of change. And who is to say that Brownell or say Keats wouldn’t be able to get this team to play more cohesive offense. Surely they could potentially draw up better schemes on offense. I’m sure they wouldn’t allow some of these shots we take which would be a welcomed step in the right direction. But the problem is mostly recruiting and a stale product that is rotting slowly from the inside. We’re that goofy team now that only plays Zone and has that skinny Euro kid constantly playing C. We have no plan Bs. Can’t dump it into the post for a bucket and when we can’t shake defenders they literally just bail out and launch contested shots. Rinse n repeat for years now. One has to wonder how much the players enjoy the system and coaching. Guys like Lydon didn’t and Lydon would’ve had to play C again if he returned. I’m not even going to get into the nepotism factor and how that is hurting us with guard recruiting. What C with any size/skill is going to want to come here and set poorly designed screens/sets then run to the corner to challenge 3s in our damn Zone? They don’t. We get projects. A lot of this IS coaching and JB is responsible for the mess we are in, roster construction, etc. He desperately needs elite ISO talents and fits for the Zone. It just doesn’t work anymore with the kinds of players we have had lately and he’s not going to change by using more Xs and Os to overcome those athleticism deficiencies. He needed Bazely and Dior Johnson badly but we know how that ended. These days going into a game I am no longer confident about getting a W unless it is Patriot League or MEAC or Sun Belt type of opponents but even those teams often give us dogfights. It’s only going to get worse I’m afraid. There are going to be a bunch of transfers and we need to hit the transfer portal again. They gotta get another guard and center. Kadary is solid but he can’t get past good defenders/athletes also. UVA/Clemson/Pitt games showed this. UNC too somewhat. The C position is a problem again. Just too many issues.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 9, 2021 10:36:04 GMT -5
Keats still is relatively early in his tenure. And yes I have acknowledged all along that roster construction and recruiting is on the head coach. There is zero doubt there. And if it does not get better in the next 1-2 years where maybe we have a sniff of recruiting momentum, he needs to go.
But in no world would I swap out JB for Brad Brownell. That is even laughable to mention I think.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 9, 2021 11:31:11 GMT -5
Keats still is relatively early in his tenure. And yes I have acknowledged all along that roster construction and recruiting is on the head coach. There is zero doubt there. And if it does not get better in the next 1-2 years where maybe we have a sniff of recruiting momentum, he needs to go. But in no world would I swap out JB for Brad Brownell. That is even laughable to mention I think. You believe JB is going to recruit a well balanced roster in 2021 and 2022? If so what are you basing this on? Sentiment is nice, but the facts speak for themselves. He hasn’t recruited well in a ong time. Our recruiting class rankings and our record reflect it. JB is also not getting younger, and not changing his defense. So why do you think recruiting will improve? If anything it should and likely will continue to free fall.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 9, 2021 11:41:45 GMT -5
Keats still is relatively early in his tenure. And yes I have acknowledged all along that roster construction and recruiting is on the head coach. There is zero doubt there. And if it does not get better in the next 1-2 years where maybe we have a sniff of recruiting momentum, he needs to go. But in no world would I swap out JB for Brad Brownell. That is even laughable to mention I think. My point was not a legit person for person swap. You seem to think Boeheim’s coaching now is infallible and the game hasn’t passed him by. I just think Brownell or Keats or 50 other D1 coaches with sharp minds can generate better shots and get this team better looks and movement. Our offense...and it breaks down against anybody good with some athletes. Buddy drives to the elbow, throws in some fancy behind the back dribbles for good measures which look real shaky, stops dribbling, looks to fade. AG drives, stepback for a shot or a 3 with a man on him in the triple threat. Marek tries to drive a bigger guy from the top of the key and even he will attempt a behind the back dribble that usually doesn’t end well. This stuff is on the coaching. Period.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 9, 2021 13:53:22 GMT -5
A balance roster is obviously important, but what I think what is just as important if not more is just plain talent and athleticism. Am I optimistic that '21 and '22 will bring in more talent? No not really because the last 5 years have not given me a reason to do so. But we do have a 5 star in Benny coming hopefully paired with an impact transfer and '22 we seem to be in the mix with a lot of more top 100 names than in recent years. Will it pan out? I have no clue but I am willing to give it that chance.
I do not love the all zone but I do not hate it as much as others. When the right pieces are there it is a weapon IMO. I certainly would not hate using sporadic man to man as a weapon as well.
Where I do not agree is that the offensive game has passed him by. Is he some maestro? No. But is he running some archaic scheme that is brutal? No again. Teams we currently have more efficient offenses than.. Louisville, Texas, Bama, Kansas, Missouri, UNC, Ok state, Michigan St, Memphis, Kentucky. Am I thrilled about being ranked 80 there? No but it could be way worse.
Again sometimes on this board I feel like I am made out to be Jimmy Boeheim in his dorm at Cornell defending his dad. JB has gotten us into some SERIOUS roster issues. I know that. Talent, balance, physicality, athleticism, and worst of all NEPOTISM. I am just willing to give him another year or 2 to work out of that. And yes I know he is not getting any younger and if we whiff on everyone in '22 it will be clear and time for him to go.
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Post by JazzNC on Feb 9, 2021 17:24:27 GMT -5
A balance roster is obviously important, but what I think what is just as important if not more is just plain talent and athleticism. Am I optimistic that '21 and '22 will bring in more talent? No not really because the last 5 years have not given me a reason to do so. But we do have a 5 star in Benny coming hopefully paired with an impact transfer and '22 we seem to be in the mix with a lot of more top 100 names than in recent years. Will it pan out? I have no clue but I am willing to give it that chance. I do not love the all zone but I do not hate it as much as others. When the right pieces are there it is a weapon IMO. I certainly would not hate using sporadic man to man as a weapon as well. Where I do not agree is that the offensive game has passed him by. Is he some maestro? No. But is he running some archaic scheme that is brutal? No again. Teams we currently have more efficient offenses than.. Louisville, Texas, Bama, Kansas, Missouri, UNC, Ok state, Michigan St, Memphis, Kentucky. Am I thrilled about being ranked 80 there? No but it could be way worse. Again sometimes on this board I feel like I am made out to be Jimmy Boeheim in his dorm at Cornell defending his dad. JB has gotten us into some SERIOUS roster issues. I know that. Talent, balance, physicality, athleticism, and worst of all NEPOTISM. I am just willing to give him another year or 2 to work out of that. And yes I know he is not getting any younger and if we whiff on everyone in '22 it will be clear and time for him to go. I’m just playing devil’s advocate with you 2016. I’m glad you post here. You bring balance. That said, you acknowledge the roster issues and the decline in recruiting. Yet you say you’re willing to give JB another year or two to work things out, and I’m just curious why? The only reason you gave was Benny Williams coming in. Outside of just ‘wanting’ to give JB a shot (that many would argue he deserves) I’m having trouble understanding your logic. It’s obvious to everyone that we need a beefy big man but JB can’t land one. If you want to say JB has earned the chance to leave on his terms that’s at least a viable reason and I wouldn’t begrudge you that opinion. After all JB built the program. But if you truly think JB can field a team that can legitimately contend then tell me the reason for your optimism. I don’t see it based on our record and recruiting the last several years. If you’re truly “not optimistic” that JB can bring in the talent needed, then why do you want him to stay another couple of seasons?
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 9, 2021 18:20:01 GMT -5
I would say my two main reasons would be:
1) He has earned a longer leash. He is not a rookie HC who is new to this. Yes the past 5 years have been below expectations. But it not like the bottom has fallen out either. Believe me, being a perennial bubble team pisses me off. But were not talking about under .500 records and 4-14 league play records. Like even some blue bloods experience some years.
2) Yes I would kill for a big that we can finally throw the ball down low to with his back to the basket. But that is just one piece too. IMO the bigger issue we just need more athletes, more talent, more ACC bodies. I think slowly but surely we are trending in that direction. Kadary, Woody, and Frank (Even if Frank and Woody still raw) are acc athletes and bodies with upside. Same with Alan. Next year Benny and potentially a transfer. And in '22 we are in the mix it seems for a bunch of top guys too.
Again this is not me saying give him till whenever he decides to go. Just a bit more time. If next year is more of the same and an NIT year coupled with another underwhelming class I will be fully on board with everyone else.
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Post by sobecuse on Feb 9, 2021 20:07:36 GMT -5
Much better movement offensively off the ball. Hopefully they can hold them off and close out this game.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Feb 10, 2021 9:30:31 GMT -5
Believe me, I am not idiot and I know things are not solved and all is well. We have the same problems we did before tip off yesterday, so I say this in jest.
But I do feel good about the JB > Keats argument lol.
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