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Post by alsacs on Apr 11, 2024 8:40:03 GMT -5
Mike owned him and then he acknowledged the gaslighting. The fanbase is divided. The patience has run thin and those still defending are showing what they are. We haven’t been relevant in college hoops and the arrogance from some of our fans is incredible. Because they bye this shit they are sold. I am not expecting back to back NCs or even final four. Just have a regular season with less than 10 losses and give the students some important games. I don’t blame Red. This guard though just screams we are getting a 1 year plug because we want HS PGs which is just a dumb plan. It’s going to be annuder same old season. Eventually we need to be relevant. I refuse to get too up or down about this stuff. Well just see how the team does this season. I am starting to think we sjhouldvemdone more to keep Edwards. Jesse’s dad wasn’t a good faith negotiator. He makes a deal for 300k with Syracuse. Syracuse has the trip planned for him to get paid. His dad finds out WVU would pay 650k. Syracuse was caught off guard and couldn’t match immediately and thought the deal was completed. Jesse didn’t do anything it was his dad behind his back getting him more. Syracuse got the money didn’t want to renegotiate because as I said they had a deal. Jesse left and Huggins got fired and WVU lit 650k on fire. Atleast Jesse got paid though. I don’t think we should have done anymore. As they made a deal and backed out which isn’t good faith. Syracuse should have gotten another player in the portal but McLeod became a warm body anyone with a brain saw was nothing and we sucked. Again Syracuse has to earn faith. Our adminstration doesn’t care about winning they care about $$$. I am sure Red cares but I am not going to care that much till I see reason to believe. I will support but just call out the BS and be fine. We as a fanbase will remain divided between the apathetic, Boeheim bootlickers, optimistic and pessimistic.
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Post by cusefan0307 on Apr 11, 2024 9:02:20 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5.
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Post by alsacs on Apr 11, 2024 9:07:05 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5. He is an okay player. I just think the frustration and the endless spin and lack of acknowledgment(which is never going to happen) of our decline has people wanting a splash. We aren’t going to get a splash. I like the assistant hire. I just sick of mediocre mismanaged rosters. I trust Red but his trust in Bell and Starling is not reassuring to have faith for next year. Who is a comp for Bell from a good college team that plays 30MPG.
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Post by hofceluck on Apr 11, 2024 9:14:54 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5. He is an okay player. I just think the frustration and the endless spin and lack of acknowledgment(which is never going to happen) of our decline has people wanting a splash. We aren’t going to get a splash. I like the assistant hire. I just sick of mediocre mismanaged rosters. I trust Red but his trust in Bell and Starling is not reassuring to have faith for next year. Who is a comp for Bell from a good college team that plays 30MPG. We got a “splash” transfer last year. His name was JJ Starling.
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Post by alsacs on Apr 11, 2024 9:30:45 GMT -5
He is an okay player. I just think the frustration and the endless spin and lack of acknowledgment(which is never going to happen) of our decline has people wanting a splash. We aren’t going to get a splash. I like the assistant hire. I just sick of mediocre mismanaged rosters. I trust Red but his trust in Bell and Starling is not reassuring to have faith for next year. Who is a comp for Bell from a good college team that plays 30MPG. We got a “splash” transfer last year. His name was JJ Starling. Starling wasn’t great as a freshman. He was splash in a sense we recruited him previously and he didn’t choose us the first time and we had a second chance and got him. After watching Starling and Bell last year I don’t having him in starters roles unless they play less minutes makes much sense if we want to be a good team. Players get better with pro coaching. College player development isn’t really that good for most programs anymore. If we had better players I would feel better.
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Post by day2 on Apr 11, 2024 9:34:21 GMT -5
“All i know is Tristan Newton was a ZERO star recruit coming out of high school. Let that marinate. Sometimes a change of scenery does wonders for players. Hoping that is the case here.” FWIW this is the kind of same thing people would say about Wes Johnson. They’d laud Boeheims recruiting ability for bringing in a one star player and turning him into a lottery pick…except when we recruited him he was basically the equivalent of a five star hs aa type. Same thing with Newton…he already proved himself at ECU. Mike owned him and then he acknowledged the gaslighting. The fanbase is divided. The patience has run thin and those still defending are showing what they are. We haven’t been relevant in college hoops and the arrogance from some of our fans is incredible. Because they bye this shit they are sold. I am not expecting back to back NCs or even final four. Just have a regular season with less than 10 losses and give the students some important games. I don’t blame Red. This guard though just screams we are getting a 1 year plug because we want HS PGs which is just a dumb plan. It’s going to be annuder same old season. Eventually we need to be relevant. What gaslighting?
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Post by djcon57 on Apr 11, 2024 9:36:10 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5. My reaction is strictly due to his PG skills and poor defensive metrics. We know JJ and Chris are bad and we’ve brought in 3 guys with similar poor metrics and expect the D to even be passable? Seems like a leap of faith to me
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 11, 2024 9:43:53 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5. My reaction is strictly due to his PG skills and poor defensive metrics. We know JJ and Chris are bad and we’ve brought in 3 guys with similar poor metrics and expect the D to even be passable? Seems like a leap of faith to me I tend to agree about the defense. Hopefully our increase in size will help some.
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Post by hofceluck on Apr 11, 2024 9:46:52 GMT -5
We got a “splash” transfer last year. His name was JJ Starling. Starling wasn’t great as a freshman. He was splash in a sense we recruited him previously and he didn’t choose us the first time and we had a second chance and got him. After watching Starling and Bell last year I don’t having him in starters roles unless they play less minutes makes much sense if we want to be a good team. Players get better with pro coaching. College player development isn’t really that good for most programs anymore. If we had better players I would feel better. He was also a five star, HS all American. People were VERY excited to land him. Go back and read the thread from when he first committed here. He and men were going to be the best back court in the ACC. And if Mintz wasn’t here…well JJ could run the point no problem! How he performed last year speaks to my point. I’ll reserve judgement for when they play for us. I didn’t expect Starlings shot to be so broken when he got here (in retrospect I guess I should have) no his defense to be so bad.
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Post by alsacs on Apr 11, 2024 9:54:39 GMT -5
Starling wasn’t great as a freshman. He was splash in a sense we recruited him previously and he didn’t choose us the first time and we had a second chance and got him. After watching Starling and Bell last year I don’t having him in starters roles unless they play less minutes makes much sense if we want to be a good team. Players get better with pro coaching. College player development isn’t really that good for most programs anymore. If we had better players I would feel better. He was also a five star, HS all American. People were VERY excited to land him. Go back and read the thread from when he first committed here. He and men were going to be the best back court in the ACC. And if Mintz wasn’t here…well JJ could run the point no problem! How he performed last year speaks to my point. I’ll reserve judgement for when they play for us. I didn’t expect Starlings shot to be so broken when he got here (in retrospect I guess I should have) no his defense to be so bad. JJ’s offense isn’t the problem. He got better as the season went on. His defense is the problem. He was a worse defender than Joe Girard. I get he had a shoulder issue but he was awful on defense. He was so bad Red in the ACCT game put Cuffe in because he had no choice. Our problem is the players we are playing aren’t good defensively. If we are playing Bell and Starling we need an actual good defensive guard and defensive wing. Nevermind their lack of rebounding.
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Post by day2 on Apr 11, 2024 9:59:10 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting about Leffew. Plenty MAAC transfers did just fine in the P6. That said I would prefer him if he were our starting shooting guard, not a point guard. That said I expect he will still average around 15/5/5. My reaction is strictly due to his PG skills and poor defensive metrics. We know JJ and Chris are bad and we’ve brought in 3 guys with similar poor metrics and expect the D to even be passable? Seems like a leap of faith to me Red’s a defensive-minded coach. I think he’s assembled a roster that will be above-average on offense. His job will be to teach them how to defend. The team should be better next year, perhaps a lot better. We needed a real center. We got one. We needed a less-selfish, better shooting PG. We’re getting one. We needed a backup forward. We’re getting one. We needed to replace G-Mac, preferably with someone more experienced. Done. If Red can win 20 games with guys playing out of position or who barely listen to him, imagine what he can do with a more complete roster that’s bought in.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 11, 2024 10:03:58 GMT -5
He was also a five star, HS all American. People were VERY excited to land him. Go back and read the thread from when he first committed here. He and men were going to be the best back court in the ACC. And if Mintz wasn’t here…well JJ could run the point no problem! How he performed last year speaks to my point. I’ll reserve judgement for when they play for us. I didn’t expect Starlings shot to be so broken when he got here (in retrospect I guess I should have) no his defense to be so bad. JJ’s offense isn’t the problem. He got better as the season went on. His defense is the problem. He was a worse defender than Joe Girard. I get he had a shoulder issue but he was awful on defense. He was so bad Red in the ACCT game put Cuffe in because he had no choice. Our problem is the players we are playing aren’t good defensively. If we are playing Bell and Starling we need an actual good defensive guard and defensive wing. Nevermind their lack of rebounding. I still hold high hopes for JJ. I think he has the skill set and athletic ability to be very good, and as far as I know seems to be a good kid who will put the work in. Thinking of two guards who played at a high level on both ends of the floor as sophomores, I’ve got Waiters and Battle. Cant really think of more at the moment. This is a big year for him for sure though, we really need him to play a lot better.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 11, 2024 10:06:04 GMT -5
My reaction is strictly due to his PG skills and poor defensive metrics. We know JJ and Chris are bad and we’ve brought in 3 guys with similar poor metrics and expect the D to even be passable? Seems like a leap of faith to me Red’s a defensive-minded coach. I think he’s assembled a roster that will be above-average on offense. His job will be to teach them how to defend. The team should be better next year, perhaps a lot better. We needed a real center. We got one. We needed a less-selfish, better shooting PG. We’re getting one. We needed a backup forward. We’re getting one. We needed to replace G-Mac, preferably with someone more experienced. Done. If Red can win 20 games with guys playing out of position or who barely listen to him, imagine what he can do with a more complete roster that’s bought in. We had some nice wins with basically 6-7 healthy bodies and Justin Taylor starting at PF, so yeah….on paper I’m feeling better about things. Lots of “ifs” for sure, but overall I think the roster will be stronger next year than this year. Hopefully health holds up better and that proves to be true.
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Post by hofceluck on Apr 11, 2024 10:06:29 GMT -5
JJ’s offense isn’t the problem. He got better as the season went on. His defense is the problem. He was a worse defender than Joe Girard. I get he had a shoulder issue but he was awful on defense. He was so bad Red in the ACCT game put Cuffe in because he had no choice. Our problem is the players we are playing aren’t good defensively. If we are playing Bell and Starling we need an actual good defensive guard and defensive wing. Nevermind their lack of rebounding. I still hold high hopes for JJ. I think he has the skill set and athletic ability to be very good, and as far as I know seems to be a good kid who will put the work in. Thinking of two guards who played at a high level on both ends of the floor as sophomores, I’ve got Waiters and Battle. Cant really think of more at the moment. This is a big year for him for sure though, we really need him to play a lot better. Yeah I guess we shouldn’t be writing off guys who are (in theory) halfway done with their college career
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 11, 2024 10:15:03 GMT -5
My reaction is strictly due to his PG skills and poor defensive metrics. We know JJ and Chris are bad and we’ve brought in 3 guys with similar poor metrics and expect the D to even be passable? Seems like a leap of faith to me Red’s a defensive-minded coach. I think he’s assembled a roster that will be above-average on offense. His job will be to teach them how to defend. The team should be better next year, perhaps a lot better. We needed a real center. We got one. We needed a less-selfish, better shooting PG. We’re getting one. We needed a backup forward. We’re getting one. We needed to replace G-Mac, preferably with someone more experienced. Done. If Red can win 20 games with guys playing out of position or who barely listen to him, imagine what he can do with a more complete roster that’s bought in. I agree with a lot of this. We should be a better offensive team with Lampkin, Davis and a more experienced Bell and JJ IF and it’s a big one… IF Leffew can make the transition to not only the ACC but to point guard. He played there out of necessity not because he was one. He was a novice last year at the position in a weak conference. He might transition fine with better talent around him, he might not. The part about Red being a defensive minded coach remains to be seen. I do believe he accomplished a lot with a group playing out of position with poor attitudes. That said, Bell and JJ are very bad defensive players, and Lampkin is not a defensive minded guy. He can play offensive and rebound, but he doesn’t provide any rim protection. Expecting two transfers from smaller schools to be good defensively is a crap shoot. About the only thing I can say about the defense is that increased height and size may help somewhat, but I don’t think we’ll be better defensively unless he reverts back to the zone which I don’t think he wants to do. It hurts recruiting. Only time will tell what this team can do next year. I think we dropped the ball at point guard with Leffew, but I hope and pray I’m wrong. It’d be nice to Dance in March again!
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