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Post by cusesky8214 on Nov 12, 2019 15:42:02 GMT -5
Maybe so...I just dont see it with Quinerly. He was pretty bad even if it was a small sample size. Lewis is special and petty can be although hes on or off. They lose them 2 and I think they are hurtin. I mean he could certainly be a bust and another Jellyfam. No doubt. Alabama also has the num 1 JUCO forward in their 2019 class. Rivals didn’t rank him but 247 did. We’re still talking about a 5 MAN CLASS for Syracuse in 2019 ranked 33 on 247 and 31 on Rivals. Not good. Doesn’t look like there is any high end talent especially with the bigs. Looks like Guerrier is also about where he should be ranked and not some one and done. He’s been pretty poor in the exhibitions and last Wed. Let's not dismiss our guys so fast. You seem to be giving Quinerly a fair shake. Quincy has played far less then Quinerly yet u still giving him the benefit of doubt. I have stated it before that our bean poles are decent but might need a little time. I like our 19 class and you don't so we will never see eye to eye on any of this. Time will tell.
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Post by sobecuse on Nov 12, 2019 15:54:49 GMT -5
I mean he could certainly be a bust and another Jellyfam. No doubt. Alabama also has the num 1 JUCO forward in their 2019 class. Rivals didn’t rank him but 247 did. We’re still talking about a 5 MAN CLASS for Syracuse in 2019 ranked 33 on 247 and 31 on Rivals. Not good. Doesn’t look like there is any high end talent especially with the bigs. Looks like Guerrier is also about where he should be ranked and not some one and done. He’s been pretty poor in the exhibitions and last Wed. Let's not dismiss our guys so fast. You seem to be giving Quinerly a fair shake. Quincy has played far less then Quinerly yet u still giving him the benefit of doubt. I have stated it before that our bean poles are decent but might need a little time. I like our 19 class and you don't so we will never see eye to eye on any of this. Time will tell. Quinerly is a much higher end talent than Quincy G and Quincy is about the same age as a FR. Look, I already admitted he could be a bust and another Jellyfam. Back the F up. As far as our recruits. It won’t matter a lick if Jesse can’t get a LOT stronger. He’s not in the same league in terms of explosive bigs (yet also thin) on teams like Washington and Baylor that can posterize you and REALLY attack the rim. Jesse has some skill and coordination but he’s a plodder and more finesse. I like Goodine and Girard but as I have mentioned countless times, it’s the system and Boeheim I worry about. Not being able to get guys like Cooney open. Girard has moxie. He’s not going to be able to get his shot off though moving forward without scheming him open and some help. I just think we need more high end ISO guys for Boeheim to be able to sustain a somewhat decent offense. As for Quincy G he makes me nervous because he doesn’t have the quickness and handle to be an NBA type SF/SG. He’s more/less a taller Paul Harris to me. A tweener. I also think he’s 6’7 tops and if he isn’t scoring is he doing anything else?
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Post by JazzNC on Nov 12, 2019 18:33:04 GMT -5
Just reading through this thread... both of you guys make valid points. Of course it’s too early to write off our freshman. Clearly we have some talent on the roster. The problem is not our individual recruits. It’s what they offer collectively. We have no one who can take the ball to the tin with authority and finish through contact, and no one who can handle tough ball pressure because we’re outweighed at nearly every position.
To relate this back to Isaiah... I’d love to land him because I think it would help the restore the reputation of the program in the recruiting world. That said, I don’t think he’s a guy who can put us over the top because he’s also pretty slight in build. I think he needs time to develop his body. I don’t think Isaiah will have the kind of impact his freshman year people think he will in OUR program because what we really need is some beef.
He ain’t coming to Syracuse.
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Post by cusesky8214 on Nov 12, 2019 21:13:44 GMT -5
Hey sobe maybe Isaiah was watching the garbage product UK rolled out tonight?
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Post by walsh on Nov 12, 2019 22:52:39 GMT -5
Hey sobe maybe Isaiah was watching the garbage product UK rolled out tonight? BEST. LOSS.
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Post by sobecuse on Nov 13, 2019 1:19:43 GMT -5
Hey sobe maybe Isaiah was watching the garbage product UK rolled out tonight? I bet he was!! It’s interesting how bad all of his Final 3 schools looked. We’ll see who prevails for his services.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Nov 13, 2019 8:56:22 GMT -5
I guess by some of the logic I have seen in here IJ needs to re-open his recruitment...
One bad night in November and you are out!
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Post by walsh on Nov 13, 2019 12:21:19 GMT -5
I guess by some of the logic I have seen in here IJ needs to re-open his recruitment... One bad night in November and you are out! UVA isnt a bad loss tbh
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Post by JazzNC on Nov 13, 2019 17:46:42 GMT -5
I guess by some of the logic I have seen in here IJ needs to re-open his recruitment... One bad night in November and you are out! Do you really think a Syracuse loss scoring 34 points with no big, no center and no beef is remotely the same as Kentucky (arguably one of the best recruiting schools in the country) losing to Evansville? Their program is alive and thriving. Ours is struggling. BIG difference.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Nov 14, 2019 9:16:41 GMT -5
Well that's exactly my point. One loss in November (or any time of the year) does not make any difference in a recruitment.
You keep harping on us having no bigs, like an immediate starting spot and an offense that goes through him is a negative? Again I have no clue what he will do, I hope he picks us (and I am sure Kentucky is more likely) but if you're gonna call us out for a bad night at least be consistent.
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Post by JazzNC on Nov 14, 2019 10:42:13 GMT -5
Well that's exactly my point. One loss in November (or any time of the year) does not make any difference in a recruitment. You keep harping on us having no bigs, like an immediate starting spot and an offense that goes through him is a negative? Again I have no clue what he will do, I hope he picks us (and I am sure Kentucky is more likely) but if you're gonna call us out for a bad night at least be consistent. I am being consistent. An early loss for a team like Kentucky whose team recruits elite guys and gets in the tournament easily is no big deal, whereas an early UGLY loss for a team like Syracuse who’s struggling recruiting elite players, and has been a middle of the pack ACC/bubble tournament team can be a red flag for recruits, especially when an elite five star point guard is visiting/watching. Why can Kentucky get a pass and not us, you ask? The difference is Kentucky can afford to play a game like that. They’ll still make the tournament and pump out pros to the NBA. Syracuse, on the other hand, hasn’t had anyone drafted in two years. That UVA game was embarrassing. We didn’t just lose. We didn’t just miss shots. We ran no offense. We had no good point guard play. We had no beef. We can’t expect to play like that and attract elite talent. Sadly, a game like that is consistent with the style of play we’ve been playing for several years now. It’s a deterrent and fuel for negative recruiting. As for my continued comments about having poor big man play (for years now), that is also a deterrent for a guy like Isaiah. Our most recent big men haven’t done shit. Our last five star big (Rak) didn’t star in the ACC until his Senior season, and flamed out in the NBA. Fab didn’t do anything in the pros either before his tragic death. If I’m Isaiah, I want to go where I’m developed, and in a system that showcases my talents with a point guard that can get me the ball. Syracuse hasn’t done that in ages. Fifteen years ago I would have agreed with you. A bad loss could be tossed aside much more easily. Now I think we’re under a microscope for a multitude of reasons. That shit show against UVA will ensure Kennedy Chandler never laces up his sneakers wearing a ‘Cuse uniform.
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Post by cusefan2016 on Nov 14, 2019 10:57:03 GMT -5
I guess we can agree to disagree. In my opinion 40 minutes of embarrassingly ugly basketball on opening night vs one of the top defensive teams in the country will not cause a recruit to eliminate a school.
Just like 40 minutes of embarrassingly ugly basketball as 24 pt favorites in a homes loss to Evansville will not cause a recruit to eliminate a school.
Sure if you want to call it a microcosm of the issue in the last 5 years I can get behind that. But again to have such a rash reaction to 40 minutes saying we are officially out on recruits because of one game, I just do not agree with.
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Post by tomcatcuse on Nov 14, 2019 11:09:10 GMT -5
I guess we can agree to disagree. In my opinion 40 minutes of embarrassingly ugly basketball on opening night vs one of the top defensive teams in the country will not cause a recruit to eliminate a school. Just like 40 minutes of embarrassingly ugly basketball as 24 pt favorites in a homes loss to Evansville will not cause a recruit to eliminate a school. Sure if you want to call it a microcosm of the issue in the last 5 years I can get behind that. But again to have such a rash reaction to 40 minutes saying we are officially out on recruits because of one game, I just do not agree with. I don’t think we’d lose a recruit for one ugly loss either. I think what Jazz is saying, is that it is, sadly, a microcosm of our program. That loss fuels negative recruiting. Losses like that sting our program much worse than Kentucky’s loss to Evansville. It definitely doesn’t move the needle in Syracuse’s direction in a close recruitment that’s for sure. Kentucky’s program is fine. Ours is struggling. Games like the UVA game don’t make a very strong case that we’re trending in the right direction or that we play a fun style either.
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Post by larrycusefan on Nov 14, 2019 11:33:54 GMT -5
DAnz this recruitment seems wide open at this point with the three schoolz. Real him in him Cuse staffers.
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Post by walsh on Nov 14, 2019 11:49:22 GMT -5
Really i dont think any of the analysts out there have any idea where he will sign and those guys picking Kentucky are doing it because they’re Kentucky
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