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Post by orangedw on Apr 20, 2024 19:35:46 GMT -5
I don’t know. It’s a combo of things, for me. Being in mediocre hell year after year after year, seeing players and fans basically cheerlead this move as if it’s accepted that we’re Duke’s bitch. New team every year. No rivalries. Uncompetitive kids who don’t care if they win. It’s just like those stupid AAU tournaments where you play 6 games in a weekend and nobody gives a rats ass who wins. It’s just to “showcase your bag” or some corny selfish shit. Shit’s got all the intensity and spark of a pickup run at this point. Specifically, I meant the money. Ah, gotcha. Thought it was “when do you stop caring” type of question. Hard to say an amount - it’s not like pro sports where we know the caps, players salaries, etc. So much is unknown to us. I do feel like with a good PG, we could have a pretty good team. I’d hate to see our season tanked because we can’t land a PG. We brought in Lampkin and Davis…..feels like it might be a situation where you go “over budget” if you have to, if the PG is likely the difference in tourney or not. But how much over? And how much is available? Don’t know.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 20, 2024 22:23:52 GMT -5
Where do you draw the line? I don’t know. It’s a combo of things, for me. Being in mediocre hell year after year after year, seeing players and fans basically cheerlead this move as if it’s accepted that we’re Duke’s bitch. New team every year. No rivalries. Uncompetitive kids who don’t care if they win. It’s just like those stupid AAU tournaments where you play 6 games in a weekend and nobody gives a rats ass who wins. It’s just to “showcase your bag” or some corny selfish shit. Shit’s got all the intensity and spark of a pickup run at this point. The lack of rivalry is an oft overlooked, or at lease glanced over issue - I used to have a WHOLE lot of games leading into the BET that felt like rivalry games. Now, even when we play our traditional rivals: If it's G'Town, we best not lose cuz they freaking SUCK. UConn........eh, who cares. They'll trash us either way. St. Johns - When we play them last? Everyone else in the ACC already has rivals......maybe Pitt, but they're sort of haplessly flailing about like us year to year, so who cares. BC has always been a bitch. IDK. I miss when just a run of the mill Big East game against Seton Hall....felt like kinda a big deal. Who knows....maybe I'm making it all up in my head though cuz we suck and I just long for when we didn't SUCK! lol
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 21, 2024 5:45:49 GMT -5
LMAO 🤣
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 10:19:55 GMT -5
Again I’m fine with Leffew visiting the schools he’s interested in. At the end of the day, I feel like Syracuse basketball with a wide open PG position should be able to out recruit those 5 schools. And if we can’t, I’ll be very concerned about where this is going.
That said, if we land Leffew(or a similar level player) I think on paper we’re quite a bit better than last year. Deeper, more experienced, and probably better balanced in terms of complimentary skill sets.
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Post by sbucketball on Apr 21, 2024 10:20:00 GMT -5
The narrative on whether our NIL is strong or not seems to change often. Last year initially we were screwed, then it was “no, actually we’re in good shape”, and now we’re screwed again. I’m confused. The NIL propaganda really rubbed me the wrong way over there the last couple years. There's very clearly a lot of spin in defense of the university, and the group-think cronies try to make anyone who questions it look ridiculous. I called out things on the NIL front and it didn't go over well.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 10:25:28 GMT -5
The narrative on whether our NIL is strong or not seems to change often. Last year initially we were screwed, then it was “no, actually we’re in good shape”, and now we’re screwed again. I’m confused. The NIL propaganda really rubbed me the wrong way over there the last couple years. There's very clearly a lot of spin in defense of the university, and the group-think cronies try to make anyone who questions it look ridiculous. I called out things on the NIL front and it didn't go over well. I guess ultimately, time will tell. W’s and L’s on the court will tell the story. There is no probation handcuffing the program. There is no Boeheim tailoring things for his kids and being married to an old approach handcuffing the program. It’s probably going to prove to be more difficult for ALL programs to be really good year in and year out, under this current climate. But it seems like Syracuse should “have its day” here and there if our NIL setup is good? We should be able to have some really good teams and seasons again, at least every few years.
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Post by sbucketball on Apr 21, 2024 10:39:46 GMT -5
The NIL propaganda really rubbed me the wrong way over there the last couple years. There's very clearly a lot of spin in defense of the university, and the group-think cronies try to make anyone who questions it look ridiculous. I called out things on the NIL front and it didn't go over well. I guess ultimately, time will tell. W’s and L’s on the court will tell the story. There is no probation handcuffing the program. There is no Boeheim tailoring things for his kids and being married to an old approach handcuffing the program. It’s probably going to prove to be more difficult for ALL programs to be really good year in and year out, under this current climate. But it seems like Syracuse should “have its day” here and there if our NIL setup is good? We should be able to have some really good teams and seasons again, at least every few years. I don't want to get ahead of myself because I think the entire landscape changes over the next 5-10 years, but hypothetically if the current structure sticks long term, I really don't see how Syracuse can be the program it once was (top 10ish program). The dominate teams of the future will correlate to amount of NIL money. Not 100% correlation as there will be coaches who can find great value and crush it, but there will be a strong correlation. These high-end kids clearly want the biggest paycheck, and I would too if I were them. And there's going to be dozens of programs that will spend more and do more than Syracuse. I think Syracuse would be similar to what it's been the last decade - bubble-team type of program except with an occasional really good team. Now, things can -- and will -- change rapidly, so I'm not counting us out.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 10:51:12 GMT -5
I guess ultimately, time will tell. W’s and L’s on the court will tell the story. There is no probation handcuffing the program. There is no Boeheim tailoring things for his kids and being married to an old approach handcuffing the program. It’s probably going to prove to be more difficult for ALL programs to be really good year in and year out, under this current climate. But it seems like Syracuse should “have its day” here and there if our NIL setup is good? We should be able to have some really good teams and seasons again, at least every few years. I don't want to get ahead of myself because I think the entire landscape changes over the next 5-10 years, but hypothetically if the current structure sticks long term, I really don't see how Syracuse can be the program it once was (top 10ish program). The dominate teams of the future will correlate to amount of NIL money. Not 100% correlation as there will be coaches who can find great value and crush it, but there will be a strong correlation. These high-end kids clearly want the biggest paycheck, and I would too if I were them. And there's going to be dozens of programs that will spend more and do more than Syracuse. I think Syracuse would be similar to what it's been the last decade - bubble-team type of program except with an occasional really good team. Now, things can -- and will -- change rapidly, so I'm not counting us out. This is what I fear and what I don’t understand. If it’s true that dozens of programs will outspend us in NIL - I don’t get it. Why can’t we be one of the top NIL teams? We play in front of the most fans, and are near the top in revenue generated. We can’t we be one of the best in NIL? What did we redo that Dome for?
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Post by sbucketball on Apr 21, 2024 11:24:44 GMT -5
I don't want to get ahead of myself because I think the entire landscape changes over the next 5-10 years, but hypothetically if the current structure sticks long term, I really don't see how Syracuse can be the program it once was (top 10ish program). The dominate teams of the future will correlate to amount of NIL money. Not 100% correlation as there will be coaches who can find great value and crush it, but there will be a strong correlation. These high-end kids clearly want the biggest paycheck, and I would too if I were them. And there's going to be dozens of programs that will spend more and do more than Syracuse. I think Syracuse would be similar to what it's been the last decade - bubble-team type of program except with an occasional really good team. Now, things can -- and will -- change rapidly, so I'm not counting us out. This is what I fear and what I don’t understand. If it’s true that dozens of programs will outspend us in NIL - I don’t get it. Why can’t we be one of the top NIL teams? We play in front of the most fans, and are near the top in revenue generated. We can’t we be one of the best in NIL? What did we redo that Dome for? The school needs to set up better infrastructure and get its fanbase to donate -- not just alumni. But there's lots of big public schools with way more alumni, richer alumni, bigger football so they get more general donations, and if it does revert to the school to pay how's that going to shake out for public v private? Idk. Seems like Syracuse should be competitive in NIL if the school gets really serious about it, but the phrase there's always a bigger fish comes to mind. It just seems likely that programs that weren't basketball powerhouses in the past but are state flagships or have big-time football - like a lot of the SEC schools we're seeing do well now - surpass Syracuse in basketball. Not saying total irrelevance would be on the horizon, but in the current landscape there's going to be a few dozen programs with a major edge and they can take the sport by storm if they want. Then sprinkle in historic bluebloods and programs that will do anything to win, and then i could see a world where Syracuse comes in after all of them. Anyways, I can't wait for the system to be revamped so the fans aren't funding NIL, and then we can focus on the new problem like the school paying NIL directly out of the AD budget etc.
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Post by sbucketball on Apr 21, 2024 11:31:33 GMT -5
I don't want to get ahead of myself because I think the entire landscape changes over the next 5-10 years, but hypothetically if the current structure sticks long term, I really don't see how Syracuse can be the program it once was (top 10ish program). The dominate teams of the future will correlate to amount of NIL money. Not 100% correlation as there will be coaches who can find great value and crush it, but there will be a strong correlation. These high-end kids clearly want the biggest paycheck, and I would too if I were them. And there's going to be dozens of programs that will spend more and do more than Syracuse. I think Syracuse would be similar to what it's been the last decade - bubble-team type of program except with an occasional really good team. Now, things can -- and will -- change rapidly, so I'm not counting us out. This is what I fear and what I don’t understand. If it’s true that dozens of programs will outspend us in NIL - I don’t get it. Why can’t we be one of the top NIL teams? We play in front of the most fans, and are near the top in revenue generated. We can’t we be one of the best in NIL? What did we redo that Dome for? But for a more direct answer to your question, for Syracuse to be a top NIL program, the university leadership needs to get on the cutting edge of things instead of being reactive and a year behind. They need to set up the infrastructure to make it easy for fans to donate. And they need to come off like they're desperate to be a top sports brand and will win at all costs. And while we have NIL, my fear is that Syracuse leadership is only doing what it has to do to keep the media checks coming, as compared to being a leader in NIL to build championship caliber programs. Just my humble opinion on the matter based on my perspective from here, which may be incorrect.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 11:41:04 GMT -5
Every now and then I step back and remember how the discussion was how much money the NCAA and the schools are making from all this, while the kids get nothing.
And of course it went to the fans funding it, while the NCAA and schools keep their same entire cut.
Absurd, really.
I hope it blows up and fails spectacularly.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 11:58:18 GMT -5
This is what I fear and what I don’t understand. If it’s true that dozens of programs will outspend us in NIL - I don’t get it. Why can’t we be one of the top NIL teams? We play in front of the most fans, and are near the top in revenue generated. We can’t we be one of the best in NIL? What did we redo that Dome for? The school needs to set up better infrastructure and get its fanbase to donate -- not just alumni. But there's lots of big public schools with way more alumni, richer alumni, bigger football so they get more general donations, and if it does revert to the school to pay how's that going to shake out for public v private? Idk. Seems like Syracuse should be competitive in NIL if the school gets really serious about it, but the phrase there's always a bigger fish comes to mind. It just seems likely that programs that weren't basketball powerhouses in the past but are state flagships or have big-time football - like a lot of the SEC schools we're seeing do well now - surpass Syracuse in basketball. Not saying total irrelevance would be on the horizon, but in the current landscape there's going to be a few dozen programs with a major edge and they can take the sport by storm if they want. Then sprinkle in historic bluebloods and programs that will do anything to win, and then i could see a world where Syracuse comes in after all of them. Anyways, I can't wait for the system to be revamped so the fans aren't funding NIL, and then we can focus on the new problem like the school paying NIL directly out of the AD budget etc. Well…..Leffew is visiting Georgia. If the kid ends up going to Georgia because they pay more than Syracuse, then I think we have significant reason to be worried about the scenario you are talking about. Georgia - SEC school, state school, historically a subpar power 5 basketball program. They have very rarely been good and have very little national cache or brand in basketball. Historically, that’s never been a school we should worry about if we’re recruiting against them. This is a school that has made the NCAA tournament just 12 times in their entire history. They have advanced to the sweet 16 just twice. Two times! We should be able to out recruit them all day, every day.
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Post by orangedw on Apr 21, 2024 15:36:01 GMT -5
Any recent thoughts on the Hoftsra PG Carlos?
Shooting numbers are solid - I love the 89% from the line and 6+ assists per game.
But I’m curious if that would translate to this level of ball? Is he a Symir Torrence - guy who knows how to play and can produce at a lower level but is a role player at an ACC school?
Or is he a kid who could probably produce similarly at this level?
I’d sign up for a guy who can give us 10 and 6 on decent shooting stats in a heartbeat at this point.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 21, 2024 16:43:29 GMT -5
Any recent thoughts on the Hoftsra PG Carlos? Shooting numbers are solid - I love the 89% from the line and 6+ assists per game. But I’m curious if that would translate to this level of ball? Is he a Symir Torrence - guy who knows how to play and can produce at a lower level but is a role player at an ACC school? Or is he a kid who could probably produce similarly at this level? I’d sign up for a guy who can give us 10 and 6 on decent shooting stats in a heartbeat at this point. Outside of his size, I like his game better than Leffews. But it’s a big question mark as to whether either has a game that will translate to the ACC. I will say that Carlos has a little dog in his game which I like.
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Post by JazzNC on Apr 21, 2024 16:48:11 GMT -5
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