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Post by two3zone on Jan 3, 2024 0:12:13 GMT -5
If you told me that would be our record at this point I’d probably be ecstatic, but the results in that 10-4 are absolutely awful. I want to enjoy basketball specifically SU basketball as I’ve pretty much removed every other sport and team from my life.
I’ve lost three close friends the past three years and my perspective has changed so much when it comes to sports and this program has been a love of mine since almost birth, but I’m having a very difficult time of giving a shit.
This is the most un-likable team I’ve ever seen come through here, I’m having a really difficult time deciding if I want to keep watching this absolute garbage. I’m sick of freeing days up for games, missing out on things I probably would enjoy more than watching this slop and collection of bitch players who show more effort bitching to refs or celebrating their makes.
In one way I feel really bad for Red, on the other hand, he did bring in McLeod and Starling (I have a little hope for starling but that is going away more and more every game) and the garbage he kept and starts is on him. I can’t do another year with Bell and I assume Benny next year starting. I’m just getting over it, losing to what should be close to a peer school year after year multiple times a year is just disgusting and there isn’t an excuse for it.
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Jan 3, 2024 0:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by orangedw on Jan 3, 2024 0:54:21 GMT -5
Keepers: Starling Westry Copeland Cuffe Brown
Can stay if he accepts being a career 9th man: Taylor
Can stay, but recruited over: McCleod
Can stay to see what he’s got: Patterson
Beat it: Bell Benny Carey
Welcome: Freeman Moore
Want: Portal Center that can play Portal forward that can play
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Post by hofceluck on Jan 3, 2024 8:02:39 GMT -5
At the very least Chris Bell should not be a starter. He has to be hitting threes in order to have any positive worth.
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Post by alsacs on Jan 3, 2024 8:12:18 GMT -5
The damage of Daddyball is going to take some time to get over. Patience is running thin but i didn’t expect much This year.
Next year we have to contenders in the conference.
It feels like this could be a multiple year rebuild though. Our program just cratered we are completely irrelevant in college basketball landscape like what happened in football.
Our brand is weakened. The ACC era for basketball has been giant underachievement and that is on us. Autry is cleaning up the roster but we need more talent and the talent has to play like a team.
I can’t say this enough I hate iso ball. It’s not fun to watch and we need to play smart. The 2009-2010 team was the bench mark of enjoyable basketball.
They played smart, fast and played fun on offense. It’s sucks what our offense has become. Just chuck or have each player do It themselves.
No motion, intelligence in passing or anything but just score.
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Post by two3zone on Jan 3, 2024 8:52:10 GMT -5
The damage of Daddyball is going to take some time to get over. Patience is running thin but i didn’t expect much This year. Next year we have to contenders in the conference. It feels like this could be a multiple year rebuild though. Our program just cratered we are completely irrelevant in college basketball landscape like what happened in football. Our brand is weakened. The ACC era for basketball has been giant underachievement and that is on us. Autry is cleaning up the roster but we need more talent and the talent has to play like a team. I can’t say this enough I hate iso ball. It’s not fun to watch and we need to play smart. The 2009-2010 team was the bench mark of enjoyable basketball. They played smart, fast and played fun on offense. It’s sucks what our offense has become. Just chuck or have each player do It themselves. No motion, intelligence in passing or anything but just score. And this is my thing, I expected not to be great, we are probably a little better than I thought we were going to be at least by what the record looks like. My biggest problem with this team is that outside of Brown it’s very difficult for me to like these guys. I don’t know if it’s their attitude, their lack of skill, I don’t know. I do think we’re heading in the right direction with Red, but this transition year is a lot harder than I ever imagined it would be to watch. Just ready to move on from so many players I can’t stand.
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Post by orangedw on Jan 3, 2024 9:13:01 GMT -5
The damage of Daddyball is going to take some time to get over. Patience is running thin but i didn’t expect much This year. Next year we have to contenders in the conference. It feels like this could be a multiple year rebuild though. Our program just cratered we are completely irrelevant in college basketball landscape like what happened in football. Our brand is weakened. The ACC era for basketball has been giant underachievement and that is on us. Autry is cleaning up the roster but we need more talent and the talent has to play like a team. I can’t say this enough I hate iso ball. It’s not fun to watch and we need to play smart. The 2009-2010 team was the bench mark of enjoyable basketball. They played smart, fast and played fun on offense. It’s sucks what our offense has become. Just chuck or have each player do It themselves. No motion, intelligence in passing or anything but just score. I don’t know if we’ll see a 2010 type team again though - because the lynchpins of the team were old! AO, Rautins, and Wes were 22-23 years old. Not sure we’ll have 3 guys as good as them, at that age again? Wes Johnson would go pro after his promising freshman year at Iowa State, nowadays.
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Post by alsacs on Jan 3, 2024 9:41:09 GMT -5
The damage of Daddyball is going to take some time to get over. Patience is running thin but i didn’t expect much This year. Next year we have to contenders in the conference. It feels like this could be a multiple year rebuild though. Our program just cratered we are completely irrelevant in college basketball landscape like what happened in football. Our brand is weakened. The ACC era for basketball has been giant underachievement and that is on us. Autry is cleaning up the roster but we need more talent and the talent has to play like a team. I can’t say this enough I hate iso ball. It’s not fun to watch and we need to play smart. The 2009-2010 team was the bench mark of enjoyable basketball. They played smart, fast and played fun on offense. It’s sucks what our offense has become. Just chuck or have each player do It themselves. No motion, intelligence in passing or anything but just score. I don’t know if we’ll see a 2010 type team again though - because the lynchpins of the team were old! AO, Rautins, and Wes were 22-23 years old. Not sure we’ll have 3 guys as good as them, at that age again? Wes Johnson would go pro after his promising freshman year at Iowa State, nowadays. It’s rare but teams have experience. I think our culture became very toxic. Guerrier/Richmond are still playing college hoops. They didn’t enjoy what their roles would have been here. Purdue and the top teams have experience. This year’s NBA talent in the freshman class has to be really low. I can’t name one contender for top 5 pick in the NBA in college hoops this year. Even Brandon Miller had popped by now last year. College hoops as a whole are dying and it’s dying because the top talent can get better coaching in the G league or overseas. College hoops is too physical and officiated horribly. The best talent is wasted in college hoops. I wouldn’t play college hoops if I was an elite talent I would go to the G League Ignite. Our basketball team has no business being worse than Providence or some these mid Big East teams like Xavier or Creighton. They have coaches who weren’t lazy and got guard play. Our previous coach was comfortable being medicore because he was coaching rosters he liked. The talent slipped and the fans who supported the team the last decade with high attendance should be commended as they were being charged top end rates for a shit product. I want to actually enjoy my team. I haven’t been able to for a while. I respect what Autry has done. He wasn’t my choice for HC but he has earned my respect. The team is playing decent basketball and played a hard schedule. We are basically the Miami Dolphins of college basketball we beat inferior teams and then lose to good teams. I am okay with that this year. I just want to see a roster I can like the way they play and are good. I can’t say this enough I HATED daddyball. It was disgusting that it was allowed to happen. When I see the amount of minutes per game somebody like Dion Waters played his sophomore year and see the amount of minutes the daddyball players got it really pisses me off. Yesterday was a Freshman HS team vs. Senior HS team. We played scared, not intelligent and let the situation get away from the team. They should have been up at halftime and then the onslaught would have come and we would have lost. However we let Duke not make a single 3, have their best player on the bench with foul trouble and we didn’t have the lead. Why because the stupid turnovers and playing too fast and not taking advantage. It is what it is but it’s not hard to see Syracuse basketball is zero nationally in college hoops.
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Post by two3zone on Jan 3, 2024 9:47:34 GMT -5
I don’t know if we’ll see a 2010 type team again though - because the lynchpins of the team were old! AO, Rautins, and Wes were 22-23 years old. Not sure we’ll have 3 guys as good as them, at that age again? Wes Johnson would go pro after his promising freshman year at Iowa State, nowadays. It’s rare but teams have experience. I think our culture became very toxic. Guerrier/Richmond are still playing college hoops. They didn’t enjoy what their roles would have been here. Purdue and the top teams have experience. This year’s NBA talent in the freshman class has to be really low. I can’t name one contender for top 5 pick in the NBA in college hoops this year. Even Brandon Miller had popped by now last year. College hoops as a whole are dying and it’s dying because the top talent can get better coaching in the G league or overseas. College hoops is too physical and officiated horribly. The best talent is wasted in college hoops. I wouldn’t play college hoops if I was an elite talent I would go to the G League Ignite. Our basketball team has no business being worse than Providence or some these mid Big East teams like Xavier or Creighton. They have coaches who weren’t lazy and got guard play. Our previous coach was comfortable being medicore because he was coaching rosters he liked. The talent slipped and the fans who supported the team the last decade with high attendance should be commended as they were being charged top end rates for a shit product. I want to actually enjoy my team. I haven’t been able to for a while. I respect what Autry has done. He wasn’t my choice for HC but he has earned my respect. The team is playing decent basketball and played a hard schedule. We are basically the Miami Dolphins of college basketball we beat inferior teams and then lose to good teams. I am okay with that this year. I just want to see a roster I can like the way they play and are good. I can’t say this enough I HATED daddyball. It was disgusting that it was allowed to happen. When I see the amount of minutes per game somebody like Dion Waters played his sophomore year and see the amount of minutes the daddyball players got it really pisses me off. Yesterday was a Freshman HS team vs. Senior HS team. We played scared, not intelligent and let the situation get away from the team. They should have been up at halftime and then the onslaught would have come and we would have lost. However we let Duke not make a single 3, have their best player on the bench with foul trouble and we didn’t have the lead. Why because the stupid turnovers and playing too fast and not taking advantage. It is what it is but it’s not hard to see Syracuse basketball is zero nationally in college hoops. Missed talking hoops with ya man.
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Post by hofceluck on Jan 3, 2024 11:25:24 GMT -5
I don’t know if we’ll see a 2010 type team again though - because the lynchpins of the team were old! AO, Rautins, and Wes were 22-23 years old. Not sure we’ll have 3 guys as good as them, at that age again? Wes Johnson would go pro after his promising freshman year at Iowa State, nowadays. It’s rare but teams have experience. I think our culture became very toxic. Guerrier/Richmond are still playing college hoops. They didn’t enjoy what their roles would have been here. Purdue and the top teams have experience. This year’s NBA talent in the freshman class has to be really low. I can’t name one contender for top 5 pick in the NBA in college hoops this year. Even Brandon Miller had popped by now last year. College hoops as a whole are dying and it’s dying because the top talent can get better coaching in the G league or overseas. College hoops is too physical and officiated horribly. The best talent is wasted in college hoops. I wouldn’t play college hoops if I was an elite talent I would go to the G League Ignite. Our basketball team has no business being worse than Providence or some these mid Big East teams like Xavier or Creighton. They have coaches who weren’t lazy and got guard play. Our previous coach was comfortable being medicore because he was coaching rosters he liked. The talent slipped and the fans who supported the team the last decade with high attendance should be commended as they were being charged top end rates for a shit product. I want to actually enjoy my team. I haven’t been able to for a while. I respect what Autry has done. He wasn’t my choice for HC but he has earned my respect. The team is playing decent basketball and played a hard schedule. We are basically the Miami Dolphins of college basketball we beat inferior teams and then lose to good teams. I am okay with that this year. I just want to see a roster I can like the way they play and are good. I can’t say this enough I HATED daddyball. It was disgusting that it was allowed to happen. When I see the amount of minutes per game somebody like Dion Waters played his sophomore year and see the amount of minutes the daddyball players got it really pisses me off. Yesterday was a Freshman HS team vs. Senior HS team. We played scared, not intelligent and let the situation get away from the team. They should have been up at halftime and then the onslaught would have come and we would have lost. However we let Duke not make a single 3, have their best player on the bench with foul trouble and we didn’t have the lead. Why because the stupid turnovers and playing too fast and not taking advantage. It is what it is but it’s not hard to see Syracuse basketball is zero nationally in college hoops. Jimmy Jr getting more minutes and shots at Cuse then he did at Cornell broke me. Not sure I’ll ever recover tbh
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Jan 3, 2024 12:02:12 GMT -5
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Post by alsacs on Jan 3, 2024 12:02:12 GMT -5
Also what sucks is the exact type of player we need is the guard that left last year. If we had Joe Girard rotate with Mintz and Starling it would be like Scoop/Waiters/Triche rotation.
You play the hot hand each game the last 8 minutes and rotate the other minutes.
Instead Girard rightfully was thinking I have been the tenured professor here for 4 years I am not going to comeback and take shit from fans who are frustrated at the status quo. I don’t blame Joe for leaving and honestly it was time but he is the exact type of SG we are missing. Kid who can make 35-40% from 3 and give space for the other guard.
It sucks but it is the truth. Again the daddyball era did a lot of damage. I get Day is loyal to JB and I commend it to a degree I feel the same away for Bill Belichick who has given me 6 SBs. If Belichick gets one more year I won’t complain because it’s first truly shit season in 23 years but if he left after the year I wouldn’t be upset. 6 championships earns you a LOT more leeway from me.
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Post by hofceluck on Jan 3, 2024 12:32:16 GMT -5
Also what sucks is the exact type of player we need is the guard that left last year. If we had Joe Girard rotate with Mintz and Starling it would be like Scoop/Waiters/Triche rotation. You play the hot hand each game the last 8 minutes and rotate the other minutes. Instead Girard rightfully was thinking I have been the tenured professor here for 4 years I am not going to comeback and take shit from fans who are frustrated at the status quo. I don’t blame Joe for leaving and honestly it was time but he is the exact type of SG we are missing. Kid who can make 35-40% from 3 and give space for the other guard. It sucks but it is the truth. Again the daddyball era did a lot of damage. I get Day is loyal to JB and I commend it to a degree I feel the same away for Bill Belichick who has given me 6 SBs. If Belichick gets one more year I won’t complain because it’s first truly shit season in 23 years but if he left after the year I wouldn’t be upset. 6 championships earns you a LOT more leeway from me. The only think Joe got from this was something about a “hot ham.”
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Post by two3zone on Jan 3, 2024 13:50:57 GMT -5
It’s rare but teams have experience. I think our culture became very toxic. Guerrier/Richmond are still playing college hoops. They didn’t enjoy what their roles would have been here. Purdue and the top teams have experience. This year’s NBA talent in the freshman class has to be really low. I can’t name one contender for top 5 pick in the NBA in college hoops this year. Even Brandon Miller had popped by now last year. College hoops as a whole are dying and it’s dying because the top talent can get better coaching in the G league or overseas. College hoops is too physical and officiated horribly. The best talent is wasted in college hoops. I wouldn’t play college hoops if I was an elite talent I would go to the G League Ignite. Our basketball team has no business being worse than Providence or some these mid Big East teams like Xavier or Creighton. They have coaches who weren’t lazy and got guard play. Our previous coach was comfortable being medicore because he was coaching rosters he liked. The talent slipped and the fans who supported the team the last decade with high attendance should be commended as they were being charged top end rates for a shit product. I want to actually enjoy my team. I haven’t been able to for a while. I respect what Autry has done. He wasn’t my choice for HC but he has earned my respect. The team is playing decent basketball and played a hard schedule. We are basically the Miami Dolphins of college basketball we beat inferior teams and then lose to good teams. I am okay with that this year. I just want to see a roster I can like the way they play and are good. I can’t say this enough I HATED daddyball. It was disgusting that it was allowed to happen. When I see the amount of minutes per game somebody like Dion Waters played his sophomore year and see the amount of minutes the daddyball players got it really pisses me off. Yesterday was a Freshman HS team vs. Senior HS team. We played scared, not intelligent and let the situation get away from the team. They should have been up at halftime and then the onslaught would have come and we would have lost. However we let Duke not make a single 3, have their best player on the bench with foul trouble and we didn’t have the lead. Why because the stupid turnovers and playing too fast and not taking advantage. It is what it is but it’s not hard to see Syracuse basketball is zero nationally in college hoops. Jimmy Jr getting more minutes and shots at Cuse then he did at Cornell broke me. Not sure I’ll ever recover tbh Starling and McLeod playing more minutes with us than they did with horrible teams I think is more bizarre.
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Post by two3zone on Jan 3, 2024 13:51:56 GMT -5
Also what sucks is the exact type of player we need is the guard that left last year. If we had Joe Girard rotate with Mintz and Starling it would be like Scoop/Waiters/Triche rotation. You play the hot hand each game the last 8 minutes and rotate the other minutes. Instead Girard rightfully was thinking I have been the tenured professor here for 4 years I am not going to comeback and take shit from fans who are frustrated at the status quo. I don’t blame Joe for leaving and honestly it was time but he is the exact type of SG we are missing. Kid who can make 35-40% from 3 and give space for the other guard. It sucks but it is the truth. Again the daddyball era did a lot of damage. I get Day is loyal to JB and I commend it to a degree I feel the same away for Bill Belichick who has given me 6 SBs. If Belichick gets one more year I won’t complain because it’s first truly shit season in 23 years but if he left after the year I wouldn’t be upset. 6 championships earns you a LOT more leeway from me. The only think Joe got from this was something about a “hot ham.” You don’t like a good pre game ham?
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Post by day2 on Jan 3, 2024 17:03:28 GMT -5
Jimmy Jr getting more minutes and shots at Cuse then he did at Cornell broke me. Not sure I’ll ever recover tbh Starling and McLeod playing more minutes with us than they did with horrible teams I think is more bizarre. Not to me. Starling and McLeod are still developing.
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Post by alsacs on Jan 4, 2024 13:27:37 GMT -5
Good job twothree with that angry thread. It completely in capsules the state of the Syracuse fanbase. The end of the Boeheim era destroyed our fanbase and split it in half. My friend orangecuse who is one of the best completely backhanded Bees in a manner that Bees can’t touch him with.
The CTO group who are TomCat, Cherie, OX and Bees ran our board like it was a Soviet gulag the past 10 years. They censor opinions and the frustrated were treated like anti fans when the program was Cratering because of the head coach.
The tide finally broke on the damn when Jimmy Jr. came in. They continued censoring but the fanbase wanting change became larger.
Last year was a joke and Boeheim’s arrogance with his mouth finally did him in. If Boeheim wasn’t an idiot in opening his mouth about Wake and fanbase support and just continuing to put his foot in His mouth he is still the HC.
He was fired but instead of calling it that they smartly packaged it as a retirement. He wanted his money for this season which he was owed. RF told me 2 years ago that Boeheim had signed a 2 year extension thru the 2023-2024 season.
Once the AD gave him his money he played nice in the transition as remember originally he was quiet but that Thursday after we lost in the ACC when we got back to Syracuse he was given assurance he would get paid his contract as he should have honestly.
But your thread is why we are in trouble so many years of irrelevance makes a fan care less and less. Now if we are good it will charge up everyone but the apathy is going to be there until we have consecutive really good seasons.
We haven’t played a conference game as a ranked team in 10 years. LOL and we have threads on our status as a program.
Jim Boeheim did a lot of good but his arrogance did do damage to the program he built up with the Dome, ESPN, Big East in the 1980s.
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